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Dawg

President
Supporting Member
If you'd like to discuss pardons in general, feel free. I was focusing more narrowly on the question of the relationship between presidents and shady entertainers.
You think those Slick Pardoned weren't 'Shady'_____________
I understand why you have so much time to post in PJ..........only a fool would hire YOU.....
 

Arkady

President
You think those Slick Pardoned weren't 'Shady'_____________
I understand why you have so much time to post in PJ..........only a fool would hire YOU.....
You didn't understand what I wrote. Try again. If you're still having trouble, find someone whose mind hasn't gone yet to explain it to you.
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
While we're on the topic, I'm curious: did you similarly clutch your pearls and look for your fainting couch about the close ties between George W. Bush and George Jones (Bush listed him as a favorite musician, spoke at Jones' Kennedy Center Honors, and Laura Bush eulogized Jones at his funeral). Jones was a recidivist crook, alcoholic, drug abuser, wife-beater, and drunk driver, known for his arrest record, trashing hotel rooms, and just being an all-around douche-nozzle. He also recorded the racist tune "poor Chinee" making fun of the Chinese (sample lyric: "Me like bow-wow, very good chow-chow"). But, to be fair, he was white, so maybe it's different.

A. I don't even know who George Jones is.

B. Jones DOES sound like quite the douche-nozzle, but did he create a musical career on a MESSAGE of being a crook, drug abuser, wife-beater, and drunk driver?

Because that's the problem with Jay Z. He endorses crime, a hatred of women and gays, violence, etc. with his message. It's what he preaches. You can't have Jay Z without his long, established lyrical content.

Unless you're telling me he's just a gimmick and it's all a work...

C. I don't think that little "Poor Chinee" is quite on par with even some of the milder Jay Z lyrical content... not that I think Mr. Jones' song is classy by any means.

That's what makes your analogy a failure. You talk about people Bush or Reagan met with as far as their private lives. I'm talking about what Obama is sadly promoting by supporting and endorsing Jay Z's message.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
so much potential here... comfy balls.. comfy balls...

let's see..

innuendo...

double entendre...

what to do what to do...

ah ha... a visual....

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Arkady

President
A. I don't even know who George Jones is.

B. Jones DOES sound like quite the douche-nozzle, but did he create a musical career on a MESSAGE of being a crook, drug abuser, wife-beater, and drunk driver?

Because that's the problem with Jay Z. He endorses crime, a hatred of women and gays, violence, etc. with his message. It's what he preaches. You can't have Jay Z without his long, established lyrical content.

Unless you're telling me he's just a gimmick and it's all a work...

C. I don't think that little "Poor Chinee" is quite on par with even some of the milder Jay Z lyrical content... not that I think Mr. Jones' song is classy by any means.

That's what makes your analogy a failure. You talk about people Bush or Reagan met with as far as their private lives. I'm talking about what Obama is sadly promoting by supporting and endorsing Jay Z's message.
Jay Z strikes me as similar to Johnny Cash in that the music is in the voice of an outlaw character. That's also a big thing in Irish music, such as the song Whiskey in the Jar. Lots of musicians adopt another persona in their art. I don't think celebrating Jay Z's art necessarily means endorsing that character, any more than celebrating Cash's art means endorsing a character who'sdshoot a man just to watch him die.
 
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zzigzzag

Guest
In the same sense, I can't recall Reagan ever having to answer for this:


The man in the photo with Reagan was in jail seven times, and smuggled drugs into the US from Mexico. He also glorified violence, with one of his songs famously bragging about shooting a man just to see him die. This wasn't a one-off thing, either. Reagan also appeared repeatedly with other country musicians who glorified the outlaw lifestyle. He even gave Merle Haggard, who spent time in San Quentin, and had a long criminal record, an unconditional pardon:



For some reason, I never seem to hear conservative scolding Republicans for close relationships with white crooks and entertainers who glorify the outlaw lifestyle, but if a Democrat does the same with a comparable black entertainer, look out!
I like this one even better.


Wasn't Elvis given an honorary badge for the DEA at this same meeting?
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
Jay Z strikes me as similar to Johnny Cash in that the music is in the voice of an outlaw character. That's also a big thing in Irish music, such as the song Whiskey in the Jar. Lots of musicians adopt another persona in their art. I don't think celebrating Jay Z's art necessarily means endorsing that character, any more than celebrating Cash's art means endorsing a character who'sdshoot a man just to watch him die.
You see, THIS is what being the "equalizer" of the board gets you. You make the most ridiculous claims just to try to even things out. And this is one of the most ridiculous claims I've seen on this board.

You're quite hung up on one lyric by Mr. Cash's. The aforementioned "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die". However, let's take a look at, you guessed it, CONTEXT:

1. The song in which the lyric is performed is called "Folsom City Blues". Yes, Blues. As in, singing about sadness. Jay Z's well established message has never been about any sadness about any sort of violence, but of energy, power, and dominance. According to Jay Z, you're a b*tch if you get shot, and he's the mother f*cking greatest for doing so.. n*gga, or something to that effect. And you know I'm not exaggerating one bit when I mention these things.

2. Just after the line you referenced, Cash continues:

When I hear that whistle blowing, I hang my head and cry..

Hang his head and cry? What is the sudden-gangster Cash doing here? He's showing REMORSE. I've listened to much of Jay Z's library over the years (the early stuff on purpose, the later stuff in passing), and remorse for killing someone is something Jay Z has never been about expressing. He's constantly done the polar opposite, bragging about murdering "b*tch-assed n*ggas" and "f*ggots". Oh, and those women out there? Hilary? The Obama Daughters? If you talk up you might just get hit with the strap too, b*tches. (Again, I'm not exaggerating any part of Jay Z's message).

3. I'm not sure who I'm talking to exactly, but I'm hoping, Mr. Ark, you're not completely oblivious to the nuance of music. The claim that Cash and Jay Z are some sort of parallel equals in the outline of their message would say you're completely numb to the topic, but like I said earlier, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assumed you're simply "in character" and helping us all out by being our blessed watchdog towards board equality.

I've also listened to some Johnny Cash over the years, and he and Mr. Jay Z could not be more different as far as what they express.

Cash often digs inward, breaking himself down, sings about large universal topics and does at times admit to bad deeds, but in no way encourages the behavior. His music is soft, unimposing, and clam.

Jay Z, in turn, constantly boasts and brags about his dominance over all the other "n*ggas" out there, all the women he could f*ck any time he wanted, and how he's living the high life, not sorry for anything, and doesn't really give a f*ck what you think. His music is meant to be hard, at times dancy, but always aggressive. There's a clear hard-shell exterior, with plenty of guns blazing on the attack.

So please, stop this madness Ark. Drop the character. It's making you take the dumbest positions I've ever seen.
 

connieb

Senator
I think you're reading into the material stuff that isn't there, if you're even getting that from the links I provided. Are you uncomfortable with premarital sex? If so, then it's possible that your feelings on the topic are causing you to see as encouragement anything that doesn't expressly reflect your revulsion. At least in the materials I found, Planned Parenthood is entirely neutral on it. They simply state facts and provide advice for protecting yourself.
No, I am reading the material exactly how they intend it. I have a minor in marketing. That is propaganda pure and simple.
 

Barbella

Senator
I'm not aware of Planned Parenthood promoting sex. The materials I've seen are just matter-of-fact: here are the risks, and here's how to guard against them. For example:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/teens/going-to-the-doctor/stds

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/teens/going-to-the-doctor/birth-control

Do you have an example of Planned Parenthood promoting sex, sexual practices, or sexual experimentation? Do you have some example of the kind of public school lesson Planned Parenthood has provided that you consider inappropriate or immoral?
Guess you missed this:

PP profits immensely from young people's promiscuity, kids feel "pressured" to have sex. Disgusting.

It was the parents of ninth-graders at Acalanes that started raising questions after their children told them one instructor threw a model of female reproductive organs at one student and that many felt the sessions were pressuring them to have sex.


“Some of the kids were distracted because it was divergent from what they were taught at home,” Dacus said.


Acalanes Union School District officials told the institute the class was not taught by teachers but rather the staff from a local Planned Parenthood in nearby Walnut Creek.


Included in the materials provided to students were documents and worksheets that included a checklist entitled, “Sex Check! Are You Ready For Sex?” in which the 13 and 14-year-old students are asked questions such as if they have water–based lubricants and condoms and if they could handle a possible infection or pregnancy. Another worksheet reads like a how-to on obtaining consent from a possible sexual partner and offers possible statements like “Do you want to go back to my place?” and “Is it OK if I take my pants off?”


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/1...ells-13-year-olds-can-have-sex-choose-gender/

There. Now you're "aware".
 

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
You see, THIS is what being the "equalizer" of the board gets you. You make the most ridiculous claims just to try to even things out. And this is one of the most ridiculous claims I've seen on this board.

You're quite hung up on one lyric by Mr. Cash's. The aforementioned "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die". However, let's take a look at, you guessed it, CONTEXT:

1. The song in which the lyric is performed is called "Folsom City Blues". Yes, Blues. As in, singing about sadness. Jay Z's well established message has never been about any sadness about any sort of violence, but of energy, power, and dominance. According to Jay Z, you're a b*tch if you get shot, and he's the mother f*cking greatest for doing so.. n*gga, or something to that effect. And you know I'm not exaggerating one bit when I mention these things.

2. Just after the line you referenced, Cash continues:

When I hear that whistle blowing, I hang my head and cry..

Hang his head and cry? What is the sudden-gangster Cash doing here? He's showing REMORSE. I've listened to much of Jay Z's library over the years (the early stuff on purpose, the later stuff in passing), and remorse for killing someone is something Jay Z has never been about expressing. He's constantly done the polar opposite, bragging about murdering "b*tch-assed n*ggas" and "f*ggots". Oh, and those women out there? Hilary? The Obama Daughters? If you talk up you might just get hit with the strap too, b*tches. (Again, I'm not exaggerating any part of Jay Z's message).

3. I'm not sure who I'm talking to exactly, but I'm hoping, Mr. Ark, you're not completely oblivious to the nuance of music. The claim that Cash and Jay Z are some sort of parallel equals in the outline of their message would say you're completely numb to the topic, but like I said earlier, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assumed you're simply "in character" and helping us all out by being our blessed watchdog towards board equality.

I've also listened to some Johnny Cash over the years, and he and Mr. Jay Z could not be more different as far as what they express.

Cash often digs inward, breaking himself down, sings about large universal topics and does at times admit to bad deeds, but in no way encourages the behavior. His music is soft, unimposing, and clam.

Jay Z, in turn, constantly boasts and brags about his dominance over all the other "n*ggas" out there, all the women he could f*ck any time he wanted, and how he's living the high life, not sorry for anything, and doesn't really give a f*ck what you think. His music is meant to be hard, at times dancy, but always aggressive. There's a clear hard-shell exterior, with plenty of guns blazing on the attack.

So please, stop this madness Ark. Drop the character. It's making you take the dumbest positions I've ever seen.

well said!

and if people dont think this "jay-z" mentality and so many other black rappers like him are not contributing to the black violent crime rate,,you are simply delusional..

kids listen to this garbage and emulate their heros..they live the message...
 

Arkady

President
When I hear that whistle blowing, I hang my head and cry..
Yeah. His character is sad he's stuck in Folsom while the passengers on that train get to move on with their lives. That's hardly the only example, either. He pushed the lawless character so hard that it defines an entire genre of music: outlaw country. And it was complete with sexist lyrics, too. For example, in Ladies Love Outlaws he says that ladies love outlaws like babies love stray dogs, while singing about a string of women who can't help falling for these shady fellows.

I've also listened to some Johnny Cash over the years, and he and Mr. Jay Z could not be more different as far as what they express.
There are certainly differences. One, for example, expresses an outlaw outlook that white folks are comfortable with, while the other expresses an outlaw outlook that black folks are comfortable with.

I don't mean to come across as a big defender of Jay-Z. I think his lyrics are full of some really ugly capitalist materialism, and I'd like to see Obama distance himself from such trash. The product placement, alone, is enough to turn a man's stomach. Do we really need more songs name-checking Armani, Rolex, and Cristal? Ferrari, Mercedes, Maybach, Jaguar.... it's like listening to an add for a car show. And some of the songs come across as nothing but branding exercises. Like many rappers, he feels the need to incorporate his name into his lyrics repeatedly, which probably makes perfect sense from a crass marketing perspective, helping to maximize his profit, but makes for crappy art. Still, there's no accounting for taste, and if that's the music the president digs, I'm not going to get any more bent out of shape about it than I did about Reagan's interest in Johnny Cash and Merle Haggard.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
You're rambling. Presumably you're referring to Margaret Sanger. She was anti-abortion, and wanted legal contraception, in part, to reduce abortions:

http://www.bartleby.com/1013/10.html

In her autobiography she wrote "[In 1916] we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."
Dont forget it was all about the " Cleaner Race"

Remember her ideal was to say who could and could not reproduce....the question is would you be allowed to reproduce and why?

And her party that could support...and trust you are for Sangers ideals...is the socialist party


In her 1920 book, Woman and the New Race, Sanger wrote that birth control “is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives.”
Sanger papers NYU
 

Arkady

President
and if people dont think this "jay-z" mentality and so many other black rappers like him are not contributing to the black violent crime rate,,you are simply delusional
The timing doesn't work well for that theory. Rap didn't really take off until the 1990s. No black rapper had a number one hit until 1991, and 1996 was the first year with more than one rap song to hit number 1 in the top 100. So, other things being equal, if rap music were having a big influence on the black violent crime rate, we'd expect that rate to start rising in 1991, with the increase really taking off in the mid-to-late 1990s. That is exactly the opposite of what the data show:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

If you see Figure 18, you'll see that homicide offending rates for blacks rose sharply throughout the Reagan/Bush years, peaked in 1991, then started to fall, including an extremely swift decline throughout the late 1990s, just as rap music was becoming the dominant pop music form.

That said, perhaps rap music really is contributing to trends in the black violent crime rate -- just the opposite way as you thought. Maybe the emotional outlet of rap music is acting as some sort of emotional salve, resulting in black violent crime rates falling much more quickly than white violent crime rates ever since rap became a dominant influence in the black community. Perhaps when blacks were listening to Michael Jackson, Prince, and Whitney Houston, they had more unresolved violent impulses, whereas the catharsis of listening to Tupac and Biggie acted as a kind of release valve.
 
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