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The Allegory of the Cave

Drumcollie

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and a slightly more progressive tax bracket isn't going to end capitalism.
Because socialism needs capitalism or how else are you going to redistribute wealth if there is none. It's why the Soviet Union fell apart and China moved to market based economy.
 

EatTheRich

President
I found Plato's Allegory of the Cave fascinating as a teen.

this article written by a student made me think of it and the false vision of our world that is being foisted on our youth by the crazed among us


https://fee.org/articles/college-student-my-generation-is-blind-to-the-prosperity-around-us/
Plausible until you face the fact that every country that has become socialist has increased its standard of living and appreciate that the real but limited advances over feudalism afforded by capitalism when it was the mode of production of a moribund class is no longer good enough for people whose suffering as a result of the failure to make the same advances as those countries over their nationally differentiated starting points is real.
 

EatTheRich

President
Educate yourself, Jimbo. No one paid anywhere near 90% under Ike or anyone else because of the tax breaks and incentives in place. Maybe you can go back to telling us how a study about carbon dioxide refutes President Reagan's comments on SULFUR dioxide or who how Democrats got lead out of gasoline when that was done, in fact, primarily by Republican administrations.

You're always good for a laugh at left wing toolery.
And no one pays anywhere near 37% today, for the same reasons. The point is that cutting the top marginal rate and along with it cutting welfare, social services, public works, and the value of the dollar represented a huge transfer of wealth from everyone else to the very rich.
 

EatTheRich

President
It doesn't change the idea in the slightest. A vast majority of the world subsist on less than a dollar or two a day by that measure everyone in America lives in luxury, even the poorest among us
And? Almost all those people live in capitalist countries ... and their capitalism is the condition of the U.S.’s capitalism.
 

EatTheRich

President
Because socialism needs capitalism or how else are you going to redistribute wealth if there is none. It's why the Soviet Union fell apart and China moved to market based economy.
Socialism needs capitalism to build on the same way space age technology needs age of steam technology to build on. You are ignoring that productivity in the former Soviet Union has fallen and only greatly reduced spending due to a contracted state sector and a greatly reduced standard of living have made capitalism ... reintroduced only after decades of unrelenting economic and military warfare by the most powerful empires in the world ... tenable today.
 

Drumcollie

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Socialism needs capitalism to build on the same way space age technology needs age of steam technology to build on. You are ignoring that productivity in the former Soviet Union has fallen and only greatly reduced spending due to a contracted state sector and a greatly reduced standard of living have made capitalism ... reintroduced only after decades of unrelenting economic and military warfare by the most powerful empires in the world ... tenable today.
Socialism needs wealth in the same way Atheists need God. You will never get that...But it is true. We now have to ask:

Where is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? It failed because their was no Capitalism to rob from. But thanks to capitalism the Rusky's were able to buy United States uranium and pay off Hillary Clinton.

Once again your explanation fails.
 

Drumcollie

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And? Almost all those people live in capitalist countries ... and their capitalism is the condition of the U.S.’s capitalism.
So we should not be capitalists and live in horrid third world conditions. The people that live in the world you want...Wanna leave that world for ours.
 

EatTheRich

President
Socialism needs wealth in the same way Atheists need God. You will never get that...But it is true. We now have to ask:

Where is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? It failed because their was no Capitalism to rob from. But thanks to capitalism the Rusky's were able to buy United States uranium and pay off Hillary Clinton.

Once again your explanation fails.
No, it fell because the working class was stronger than a state built on confining its revolution to a single country.
 

EatTheRich

President
So we should not be capitalists and live in horrid third world conditions. The people that live in the world you want...Wanna leave that world for ours.
Again, every country that has gone socialist has improved its standard of living. You are comparing capitalism in the imperialist countries to socialism in the semicolonial countries, when you should be comparing capitalism in a given sort of country to socialism in the same sort of country to get an idea of what would make a country better off.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Again, every country that has gone socialist has improved its standard of living. You are comparing capitalism in the imperialist countries to socialism in the semicolonial countries, when you should be comparing capitalism in a given sort of country to socialism in the same sort of country to get an idea of what would make a country better off.
Venezuela says “Hi”. As do the Peron’s. Hungary, the Czech countries, Poland...all of the former Yugoslav countries...literally dozens more whose quality of life and standards of living have skyrocketed after shedding the miserable vestiges of anti-human communism.

If it isn’t a lie, ETR won’t post it.

Lordy, the parenting...
 

Drumcollie

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Plausible until you face the fact that every country that has become socialist has increased its standard of living and appreciate that the real but limited advances over feudalism afforded by capitalism when it was the mode of production of a moribund class is no longer good enough for people whose suffering as a result of the failure to make the same advances as those countries over their nationally differentiated starting points is real.
No country that has elevated it's standard of living that is socialist does it without capitalism because socialism alone fails everytime.

There are more former socialist countries than there are socialist countries today.


https://www.worldblaze.in/countries-with-highest-standard-of-living-in-the-world/

None of the countries in the top 10 make the current list of socialist countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Once again your fake socialist views have failed.

 

EatTheRich

President
Venezuela says “Hi”. As do the Peron’s. Hungary, the Czech countries, Poland...all of the former Yugoslav countries...literally dozens more whose quality of life and standards of living have skyrocketed after shedding the miserable vestiges of anti-human communism.

If it isn’t a lie, ETR won’t post it.

Lordy, the parenting...
Your first 2 examples (telling) have never been socialist.

I seem to recall Yugoslavia devolving into bloody genocidal war as it went capitalist. Hungary and Slovakia have gotten so bad that they have fallen prey to far-right demagogues reviving the horrors of their pre-socialist era. Opposition to a market economy in Poland and Czechia is highest among the oldest generation who can recall socialism as adults.
 
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EatTheRich

President
No country that has elevated it's standard of living that is socialist does it without capitalism because socialism alone fails everytime.

There are more former socialist countries than there are socialist countries today.


https://www.worldblaze.in/countries-with-highest-standard-of-living-in-the-world/

None of the countries in the top 10 make the current list of socialist countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

Once again your fake socialist views have failed.

Capitalism makes a handful of countries very rich and the majority very poor, just as it does with individuals. And those very rich countries spend the bulk of their treasure and much blood on destroying every vestige of socialism in the world.

Socialism requires a high level of civilization as its foundation, just as does any modern technological marvel. Socialism builds on capitalism the same way the internet builds on computers ... doesn’t mean that “the internet alone fails every time.”
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Your first 2 examples (telling) have never been socialist.

I seem to recall Yugoslavia devolving into bloody genocidal war as it went capitalist. Hungary and Slovakia have gotten so bad that they have fallen prey to far-right demagogues reviving the horrors of their pre-socialist era. Opposition to a market economy in Poland and Czechia is highest among the oldest generation who can recall socialism as adults.
Look at the lies fly! Stunning...
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Your first 2 examples (telling) have never been socialist.

I seem to recall Yugoslavia devolving into bloody genocidal war as it went capitalist. Hungary and Slovakia have gotten so bad that they have fallen prey to far-right demagogues reviving the horrors of their pre-socialist era. Opposition to a market economy in Poland and Czechia is highest among the oldest generation who can recall socialism as adults.
er, uh, no...the yugoslav wars were wars of independence. cant recast history.
 
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