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The countless flip-flops of Donald Trump...

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Bugsy McGurk, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Well said. It's all about fear and loathing, and boosting the GOP cult. Trump's ever-changing statements and actions don't bother them. They don't even seem to notice. Trump wears the "R". That's all that matters.
     
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    If you're trying to hurt my feelings, you're wasting your time. Your lies have become your trademark, and your posts redundant and boring.
     
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  3. EatTheRich

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    Probably, but certainly not on anywhere near the scale Republicans like to insinuate, and with far less effect on electoral outcomes than the Republican-led widespread voter suppression.
     
  4. EatTheRich

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    He barely won. What "illegal any created by Obama" has he erased.
     
  5. EatTheRich

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    Trump is carefully to appease each shifting interest under his big tent, though, especially right after doing something to let them down. It's not just about resentment ... it is about policy ... but the lack of a definite policy trajectory can be to his advantage because it allows everyone to think that--whatever compromises are forced on him by the "real" enemy he identifies for each side (which might be Muslims but could also be liberals, Wall Street, the FBI, or the House Freedom Caucus)--he really wants to support them and will help them out again once the political climate warms.
     
  6. EatTheRich

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    Yet he ran against the Republican Party and much of what it's stood for for 60 years ... and that's what a lot of people see in him. Trump, much more than Barack "Hope and Change" Obama, is a blank slate on which any agenda whatsoever can be projected ... as long as that means destroying one special interest for the sake of another. His supporters are just gambling that they'll be on the top of the dog pile when all's said and done.
     
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    We certainly saw that in the campaign. I wonder how much of that is a deliberately thought out strategy, and how much is just a con man's reflexive desire to say whatever his current audience wants to hear.
     
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    He didn't run against the Republican Party. Clinton did. Trump ran for the GOP.
     
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  10. Bugsy McGurk

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    Trump ran "against the Republican Party"?

    One of the daffiest things I've ever seen written.
     
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    Relax, nobody expects you to understand anything.
     
  12. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    I understand everything - even your propensity to spew gibberish.

    ;-)
     
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    Fair enough. I just meant that he ran against Bush/Rubio/Kasich and their traditional republican positions ("free trade"/"family values"/patriotism / financial deregulation)
     
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    I had no expectation that you actually wanted proof of Obama's crimes, when you asked for it.
     
  17. Bugsy McGurk

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    I don't care who shares that "assessment" - it's still baseless. Trump and the GOP are in lockstep.

    If your point is that Trump pretended to be "something new" when it comes to policy, I would agree with that. He's the ultimate conman, and he always says whatever he thinks advances his cause in the moment, without regard to truth, and without regard to whether he believes it. For example, he claimed he was going to "drain the swamp" of people like DC lobbyists and bankers, and then he stocked his adminstrstion with more of the worst swamp creatures in the nation.

    Hillary ran against the GOP. Trump ran for the GOP nomination and, upon securing it, the GOP supported him just as they do with any GOP candidate. And now Trump and the GOP March in lockstep. You seem to have been misled by his flim-flam tactics, thinking he ran against the GOP, but he's no different than the rest of them, with the exception of his unique set of mental disorders.
     
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    It's hard to say what he ran for or against, since he was all over the board. The only consistent themes were that minorities suck, Donald Trump is awesome, and Barrack Obama was a disaster. When it came to actual policies, he'd take diametrically opposed positions (e.g., saying the wealthy were under-taxed then proposing an enormous tax cut for them). It's true that at various points he was basically running against traditional GOP positions. But what we ended up with is more or less a standard-issue Republican, who favors deregulation, hostility towards the LGBT community, lower taxes on the rich, radical roll back of social programs, Federalist Society judiciary, vast military overspend, aggressive use of the military abroad, and stocking the administration with Goldman Sachs alumni. He's less coded in his racism than a typical Republican, and a whole lot more vulgar and shamelessly egotistical, but take away the presentation, and so far I could picture Ted Cruz, John McCain, Mitt Romney, or any number of other mainline Republicans making the same policy choices.
     
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    I read your link for long enough to realize it was all bullshit. For instance...in 2012 the unemployment rate was certainly less than 10%, yet your link says it was higher. It also says Obama promised it wouldn't go about 8%. Obama never said that.
     
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