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The Death of the Electric Car

Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by justoffal, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. justoffal

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    Well in your case you would do well to own a leaf. The range is compatible with your driving habits. I would own one myself if the rage was just slightly better. I like the idea of a totally non smoking vehicle with no spark plugs and no fuel storage at all.....

    I am glad the numbers work for you .... it is indeed good to see someone at least trying to fight back against the onslaught. Eventually I believe we will necessarily have to re-collapse the urban sprawl back in to the more efficient living models of the past.
     
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    Actually I am aiming low with that estimate.

    IT is based on the rough calculations of energy needs as forecast by the annual increase and the schedule of obsolescence looming over the plants that are currently operating.
     
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    Having said that I have also tried to imagine how crowded Urban and inner city with multiple dwelling will set up enough charging stations for car owners. Seems nearly insurmountable unless one has a personal driveway.
     
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    Good points...

    A confession. Recently ...last year I picked up an 88 Lincoln town car. It had the small eight ( 302 cid ) but I did a few things to it like a speed chip, hot plugs and hydrogen intake infusion...heh heh.

    It was fun for a while..but I am pragmatic and just couldn't justify the expenditure on gasoline. But lemme tell ya it was pure fun stomping on that gas pedal going up the Mass Pike. That sucker ate up the road at 100 mph without so much as a twitch in the front end......call it the middle aged crisis.
     
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    And for me, I'm driving a 13yo beater because I expect my life circumstances to change in 9-12 mos (major relocation) and it doesn't make sense to spend the $$ on a newish car for that short a period of time. Particularly when the energy consumption of BUILDING the car outweighs any fuel efficiency savings I will get over what I have. IN fact I'm about to get rid of the more modern car and go back to driving my 1966 , two tone convertible Bug...
     
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    If you really cared about the environment, you'd sell that gas-guzzling (by modern standards) Bug and buy something along the lines of a Geo Metro on the used market. The VW I owned was a little bigger-engined than the '66 model, with the 1600 cc engine (necessary for the post-catalytic converter era when it was built), and it made about 23-25 mpg. My guess is that's slightly worse than your Beetle, which probably makes (highway) about 28 mpg. A late 80s Civic or a mid-90s Metro will make mileage that good in town.

    But you don't want to make that purchase, not because the numbers aren't right, but because you like the old Beetle -- it's fun. Well, my Mustang is fun, too, and makes better mpg than your Beetle.
     
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    Except that this argument rests on the idea that there were somehow "subsidies" for cars, and there never were. This is just you attempting to redefine "subsidies" as you attempt, from time to time, to redefine "welfare" so that it incorporates everything from highway to defense spending.

    Building roads isn't a subsidy to cars, Degs -- we already built roads before we had cars.
     
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    Oh Trap there absolutely were. From road building without tolls, to pipeline development for fuel transfer, to subsidies for drilling oil, to de facto subsidies in the form of permitting the externalization of many of the costs of refinement and emissions etc.

    And while we built roads, we
    1) did not build as many
    2) did not pave them to the standards needed by cars.

    Those changes were subsidies since the costs were not reflected in the cost of the cars.
     
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    Hey....VW made one hell of a vehicle my friend...... it may have been designed by Hitler but the damn things could not be killed! I distinctly remember a friend who had a bright Orange bug telling me that she was getting close to 30 mpg and that was way back when it didn't really matter! Drive the wheels off of that thing buddy and have a blast!
     
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    I plan to. I'm on my 3rd engine, 2nd Trannie, 2nd roof, and my ex gave me a present of a diamond tuck leather interior. On a sunny day its a blast.
     
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    Hey -- for what its worth I never said I didn't LIKE Beetles -- although frankly I'd rather have a Karmann Ghia, but that's because I don't like the "perched on the edge of the theater seat" ride position in a regular Beetle.

    Another thing is, despite the fact that they were designed in Germany, the old air-cooled Beetle isn't a very good cold weather car. My Dad had a '66 when I was a kid and we used to joke that we should light candles on the dashboard for heating and defrosting purposes.
     
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