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the genesis of civilization

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  1. Jen

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    That means Antarctica could be full of cultural evidence buried under all that ice.
     
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    It also means that the ice is not 800,000 years old! It depends on the angle; the crazy thing about turning over a ball spinning in space; it could end up just spinning the Antarctic and not much change there. We have definite evidence of the meteoric strike, but we can only guess how it affected the earth spin... it didn't necessarily result in the full 23 degree tilt on the axis; if the predeluvian world had two seasons then it had some tilt; no tilt at all would mean only one season the world over. Some other consequences: did the earth spin faster? It would almost have to have sped up the rotation; there's nothing to slow it down again, that I can think of. Human lifespans slowly shrank from 1000 years to 100 years. Maybe that was due to climate change, or maybe it was due to a faster spinning earth?

    This was so recent in history; we have maps drawn from more ancient sources that show Antarctica without ice. I have this idea; every snowfall leaves a layer of ice; so all those layers are not recording a year's snowfall... we know that there's more than a couple of inches of snow every year; that's just an average day's snow down there. So figure 100 layers of ice for every year and suddenly... 800,000 divide by 100 = 8000 years. So heck, maybe that Younger Dryas period wasn't 10,000 years ago, maybe it was actually the latest warm up, 100 years ago. It doesn't seem possible the people doing that work could make such a simple mistake; but I've seen videos of the cores and they say that each one of those layers represents a year... and how could they be so small? 1-3 inches is all they were.
     
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    And we know snow leaves layers of ice if it doesn't melt. After each winter I spent in Alaska there was up to 7 feet of snow in places(because that's about how much snow we got in one winter)........... and that snow melted in very obvious layers.
     
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    The current theory holds that the layers are formed by summer melts; so each layer is a year. But what summer melts? Antarctica doesn't get warm enough to have a summer melt. Sure, the snow is compressed into ice over time, but an entire year of snow compresses into two inches??/ No it doesn't. I'm thinking they screwed the pooch. How about this crazy take... in between each snow fall the surface freezes; that's what causes the layer.
     
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    This is a giant paradigm shift. It explains why Astrology "began" when it did - 10,000 years ago. Everyone was mapping out their new night sky.

    Think about it, maybe there was no "Ice Age"... maybe northern North America and northern Europe were under ice simply because they were located around the Arctic Circle... Norway might very well have been located on what is Russia's side of the Arctic Circle today... Denmark might have been located where Iceland is today. Greenland might have been where Alaska is today. Alaska and Siberia might have been warm weather climate... and that would explain why they found evidence of humans dating back tens of thousands of years in Siberia and the Yukon, but nothing in the rest of northern North America.

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    The thing to remember, when comparing the meteoric strike that struck our east coast - versus - other meteoric strikes ... is the size of the strike. There is over half a million craters there, heavily overlapping each other, all happening from the same object breaking up... it was a single strike that covered an area 800 miles in diameter. Our moon is only 2000 miles in diameter. This was an event like no other.

    The entire of Siberia was in tropical climate before the strike. All of Siberia is littered with Wooly Mammoths that were frozen with tropical food in their mouths and stomach. The earth spins at 800-1000 mph in the tropics; it wouldn't take very long for a strike like this to move Siberia from tropical region to sub-Arctic region; figure 5-6 hours of northern travel, which might have taken a day or two, at the most, the biggest question in my mind is whether flood waters would move east to west or west to east... I think initially there could be some back up east to west, then the global flood traveled west to east. Siberia would have been the last area on the planet to flood, if it flooded.

    Remember, all the destruction to all those stone walls in South America were the east west walls; the north south walls are still standing. Isn't that exactly what would happen if the earth were pushed; west to east?

    Some more food for thought:

    Was man living on this planet for millions of years prior to the great flood and wouldn't the planet have been relatively the same for all those years? 2 seasons, and nothing but water at the South Pole. What would man have done for all that time? Farming, mining, fishing... same stuff we do today. Without a tilt, or with a much slighter tilt, the earth would have been colder in the polar regions; ice caps would have reached a couple thousand miles farther than they do today, and it would have been hotter in the equatoral regions; man would likely have settled in the sub tropical regions, where the climate was temperate. In the southern Atlantic, Peru and Antarctica would have lied in the climatic temperate zone. In the northern hemisphere, North Africa to China would have been the center of the world population, and human activity. Interesting enough, that's where the world's deserts are located; along with the Sonora in North America that also would have lied in that temperate zone.

    So why would man turn his living space into desert? Strip mining comes to mind...


    Is Planet Earth Just One Giant Ancient Quarry...???
     
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    So would if this myth recorded in Genesis was repeating the same old bed time story that was passed down for millions of years? tens of millions of years? hundreds of millions of years? The seven stage creation is a very universal theme. If mankind was living here, doing the same old thing forever, why wouldn't that myth get passed down?

    So, here's another possibility; there was no gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, it was a story, the word "and" was a conjunction, it is the way people tell stories, in the beginning of what? How about the beginning of mankind? God prepared this earth and sky and the earth was covered with water and those waters evaporated and became an atmosphere and there was a sun and a moon and stars; can't forget those stars, and God pooled the waters together into seas, and God gathered together dry land and the land was all one continent and then God split the land into tectonic plates floating on top of the mantle just 50 miles below the surface and the water evaporated into storms and rained onto the land and the water ran together into rivers which carried salt into the oceans and God created fish and birds and animals and mankind and God created more than one type of mankind (there are three) Genesis tells us about two; one that was very good and another that God created later in a special garden project that was good and evil, and mankind lived a long, long, long, long time on this very boring earth that spun in harmony with the gravity radial of the sun, and the horizon that spun toward the moon and sun God called "east" - wait, I messed that up - God said "let there be light" and then the sun rose in the east, and the morning and the evening were the first day...

    Whatever came to pass, God did it. And remember, in old testament times, your gods went to war with you; your gods conquered the enemy's gods... so we have this passage about the Almighty God - the most high God himself - not being able to conquer some army because they had iron chariots. Maybe God didn't get his rest on the sabbath day that week?

    But all in all, Genesis is a very valuable witness to the ages before the flood. Back when those myths were still "wet" they got written down and faithfully preserved. Let's look at the reason God gave for causing the flood... man's thoughts were continually evil. How so? I remember my brother in training for ministry explaining that it meant all man was thinking about was sex, sex, sex. (He was raised catholic) But judging by the way mankind had strip mined all the land that had decent weather, I would say the "evil" that was constantly on mankind's mind was business as usual... what mankind was doing to the earth. See, there's a morality there; God wanted man to take care of the earth that God prepared for him, but mankind strip mined the planet into deserts. God was pissed. Who was Noah? Just those who God helped escape the floods; this happened all over the planet. The flood myth is repeated by hundreds of cultures.

    Now look at what was accomplished by turning over the earth rotation with that small moon that hit us. Remember the bigger force vector was the east to west spinning earth; you add the smaller force vector of the small moon striking northwest to southeast and you get some movement north to south, resulting in the same east to west spin but the axis is tilted... and it brought all this new land into play for man to live on, and losing Antarctica to the south pole was no big loss because it was strip mined to beat hell. All in all, the attack on Tamor (trying to remember how the Sumerian myth named the earth) worked out really well for living space.

    And there were giants, can't forget the giants. Did anyone notice what Luke recorded in the book of Acts? The storm's name? Some form of Hercules. "Hurrikane" is what we think the natives (in Jamaica) called their god that brought those storms; another take on the name Hercules. In Peru, the god was named Vericoche; and it is the same god; Hercules again. Have you seen the tv show? The travels of Hercules? This guy really got around. Some of those myths were true, by the way.

    What did I forget? Oh yeah, the giant lizards. Did you know reptiles do not die of old age? That's why we kill snakes. And fossiles are formed by sudden inundation. The earth is covered by fossiles because the flood wasn't that long ago.

    One more thing; man was created intelligent. So the longer he lives together (civilized) the higher tech his cities become. Stands to reason that mankind was extremely high tech by the time God decided to wipe him out with a flood.

    Now, that wasn't too complicated, was it? All puzzles are easy once you get all the pieces together and can see the big picture. The hard part about this puzzle was... the picture on the cover was lost, so we had no idea what to make of the pieces. I'm sure I'll keep working on it... but like my hoist, I think I've got this design figured out.
     
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    Oh hey, fun fact; remember how we were always searching for those "fountains of the deep" that God broke up to produce Noah's flood? Science found them. There's a fiber like layer of stone beneath the mantle, they say that three times the world's oceans of water is locked in between the mantle and the core. Don't ask me where that water was before the flood; but we were always asking... where did the water go? Now we will ask, how in the heck did it go from the surface down below the mantle? I just heard about this, so I hope I am rememberring correctly where this water is at.

    You know, if equatorial regions - preflood - were very hot; much hotter swamps and jungle than we have today; chances are pretty good that mankind didn't go there. So it isn't hard to see how the reptiles grew to such huge lengths.

    And if you are looking for Atlantis or Lemuria, you have to twist back the globe to the orientation of the earth on its poles pre-flood. So for anyone who is searching on today's orientation; that doesn't make any sense, today's orientation is not where they were. To make it even harder, there's no knowing what kind of twist the small moon strike produced. Maybe - instead of simply rotating the earth backward from the point of impact - maybe we need to twist it backward... maybe preflood North America was orientated Northwest to Southeast instead of North to South. One thing seems sure; there was enough north to south change to necessitate everyone mapping out their new night skies.

    Some people think Antarctica was the old Atlantis. Others feel it was Bimini Road in the Caribbean. I'm in the camp that says Atlantis was a global civilization, where ever the island city was located. Same for Lemuria and Mu. Remember, those civilizations were built up over millions of years. And they kept time by tracking the precession of the Ages; which didn't change with the tilt of the earth, proving it is due to the sun's revolving it's galactic twin, nothing to do with the earth's orientation. One last note: preflood east and post flood east probably remained the same, the earth just changed the angle it spins at in relation to the sun, not the direction of the spin.
     
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    Other possibilities for preflood orientation:

    Maybe that small moon strike turned the earth over until South became North and vice versa. Maybe it turned it over several times. It would seem utterly impossible to figure out what happened there, but we can figure out where places were before the strike by certain indicators for those areas. I'm going with the Sonora desert, the Sahara desert, the Arabian desert, the Persian desert, keep going east... as areas that were thoroughly strip mined so they were the nice climate inhabited regions. ditto for Antarctica. Siberia was tropical and western USA was crawling with giant lizards so those areas were closer to the equator. Canada and northern Europe were ice filled, so let's figure them at the poles. It seems the polar ice came down to just north of and into the northern edge of where the small moon struck. Try this; stare directly at Memphis Tennessee and twist the earth counter clockwise 23 degrees... that puts all those areas where they must have been. There's a circle of megaliths running about 23 degrees off the current equator that some folks feel represents the old equator... no way of knowing that for sure. But it makes sense when you study the magnetosphere.

    I'm always wondering when I read the prophets... how much of this is really God speaking and how much of it is the prophet speaking? It is a mixture. The books of Moses do not read like Moses wrote them, ditto for Joshua, those books, along with Chronicles of the kings (including first and 2nd Samuel) were all written by the scribes; ditto for Esther and Ruth. So you really have to wonder, how much of Genesis was God's inspiration, and how much of it was the understanding of the scribes. The books penned by the scribes are considered inspired, but they are mostly historical documents; the word "God" isn't found once in the book of Esther. So when you read a myth that was millions upon millions of years old, recorded by a bunch of scribes, please don't exhaust my patience preaching that every word was "God breathed" and carry on about how it is God's word and there are some that go so far as to say God penned the books himself, not the scribes. Just the opposite is the case; these historical scrolls have very little to no inspiration, except where they record the words of prophets (which Moses was) or the words uttered by former prophets (like Jacob and Joseph). So when it comes to the first ten chapters of Genesis, what you have there is knowledge handed down from previous civilizations... human knowledge.

    So God said this and God did that cuz he was thinking this or that... it is a story. It is a way of telling what happened. Human lifespans were shortened after the flood, so the scribes will tell you... God said, my spirit will not always strive with man, I am shortening their lifespan... were the scribes that wrote that, eyewitness to God's speaking? Not at all, people, c'mon quit being so naive, it was a way of telling what happened. Were any of Moses' scribes around at the creation of the earth and heard God say "Let there be light"? Did they know anyone who knew anyone who knew anyone who knew anyone a million more times, maybe ten million more times... No, it was a way of telling a story; a very damn old story, a story that everyone apparently knew in those times. That same story has been told a whole bunch of different ways.

    So get this; as far as the scribes knew or could reckon, where did all that water come from for the flood? fountains of the deep were broken up? windows of heaven were opened? then God made all the water go away... some how. They saw God work with wind on the Red Sea, it must have been that same trick? Nobody told them that a small moon broke up into a million pieces and struck the opposite side of the earth... that the flood was more of a global tsunami than an increase in water volume. Opening the windows of heaven does not increase the global water supply; it just moves it around. There are no fountains of the deep; or empty cavities that might have been fountains of the deep, that could have been "broken up" and produce the flood. The flood happened; evidence for it is everywhere, it just didn't get produced by windows of heaven being opened or fountains of the deep being broken. Those are poetic ways of telling a story ... but it doesn't appear the scribes knew what actually happened to cause the flood. A global tsunami might have indeed filled a mountain pass until it over flowed the mountains, but it wasn't that the whole earth was filled to that level, it was how high the water rose as the tsunami came through; if the earth was pushed the same dirtection as the tsunami, the tsunami might have built up for 40 days and then released, we have no idea what the small moon strike did to the spin of the earth; the earth likely went into a wobble and took a long time to fix on its new axis.

    I look for clues in the text. I try to piece together all the pieces of the puzzle and that includes guesswork. The record in Genesis appears to be at the apex of the tsunami; so it seems the worst of it struck the greatest population center (North Africa to India), perhaps only 8 souls were saved in that whole major center of the earth; and all the re-population of those areas came from one family; I doubt it to beat hell, then how did the giants resurface? But it was certainly a dramatic enough piece of history for Peter to emphasize in his epistle... who was Peter? A local fisherman. None of the New Testament authors, neither Jesus himself, would have had a clue that Noah's flood was actually a global tsunami from a small moon striking the other side of the earth.

    Sodom and Gomorrah really were destroyed by brimstone and fire coming down from heaven; those areas are still impregnated with a white sulphur that will burn if you light a lump. What the heck caused it? Science doesn't know. I didn't even know there was such a thing as white sulphur. How crazy is that?

    If you look at the overlap of the craters... first of all, think of what happens when a small moon breaks up into a million chunks of rock, the outer circumference of the moon will have sparse amount of rocks but the density increases until you move to dead center where the entire diameter of the moon would be incoming... so if there was well over half a million craters, figure the center had that many rocks all by itself, they just hit one on top of another. Now for the big question: how fast was this object travelling relative to the earth?

    mass x speed = force

    So speed is important. And we don't know what the speed was.
     
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    Some people believe that God dictated the Bible and the words are God's verbatim. Others believe that God was the inspiration for the Bible but the words were those of the authors.

    So did God - in those days of old - actually come down and speak to Adam and Eve and Moses? I am thinking not since God eventually had to create a Son to be able to speak to people. God trying to speak to a person - would kill that person just as much as looking on the countenance of God would kill us. Not because God intends to do that but ........well, I'm sure you get it @Days even if others don't so let's leave it there.

    Just as I am God-led to do or write or say certain things, and you are too......... I am certain that those men of old knew when God was guiding their words. Nobody hears actual voices when that happens. But we know.

    Those people who wrote the Bible knew too.

    That's all I've got for now.
     
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    I just added to that post... yeah, I was thinking about inspiration also, when you have experienced it yourself, you can see it in the text. And God doesn't talk about everything all at once to everyone; he talks to each of us, about one thing at a time for men, and two or three for women, but the point is, he gives us little bits and pieces at a time. We know what we know, cuz we have decades of that experience and it builds up.

    I'm very simple when it comes to the anointing. I reach out for the thoughts of today and try to follow whatever guidance of the moment I am receiving. If someone wants to get all legal and try to put God in a box; actually the scriptures tell us that you can't do that... God is a spirit, God is life, light, and love, you can't contain God to any doctrine.

    Well, I have studied and meditated and prayed for years, and I write what wisdom I can offer here... the book of Genesis fascinates me, there's a lot in there.
     
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    There is probably a whole lot more in Genesis than any of us will discover in an entire lifetime of reading and looking and meditating on it.

    It's hard to be satisfied with a tiny piece at a time, but I am thankful for it.

    The central theme of the entire Bible is Love. Everything else radiates from that. If we can focus on that we will find all the other bits and pieces fall into place.
     
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    The bottom line of the Sodom and Gomorrah thing is that God/ Angels saved Lot and his family by warning them.

    It is possible that the story went a little differently - maybe Lot was told that if he could convince anyone else that the cities were going to come to an abrupt end they too would be saved. And of course Lot came across like a crazy man....... so he and his family were the only ones who left. Same with Noah who got the warning and nobody believed him.

    I suspect that what happened in those days was a simple nudging from God and His angels that these men realized was important and everyone else mocked them..........to their demise.

    That has happened throughout the history of the world on some level or another and is still happening now. It may not be of catastrophic proportions, but it's happening.
     
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    The thing that happens with these ancient texts and modern man... All of the myths say the same thing all over the planet; Angels came down from heaven and taught man (or warned man) ... the crazy thing about modern man is he can't fathom that there are angels. But now this is so convoluted because at the same time; modern man has no problem believing in the spiritual realm, but when it comes to real history interacting with that realm, nope, can't go there. So, we have instead, this idea that all the angels of olden times were really aliens from other planets. wtf? Modern man has no problem believing we are visited by aliens; for which, you have to accept time travel, worm holes in the space time/continuum, Einsteinian physics that read more like scifi flicks than physics... stargates... without any evidence whatsoever for any of it. Meanwhile, we deal with ghosts all the time, there's video on YouTube, tv shows, pictures, tons and tons of ghosts and always has been.

    go figure.
     
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    It means it would be, if the hypothesis weren't nonsense.
     
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    The Carloina Bays are giant impacts from a single object... the object struck the earth, over half a million times, in an area reaching 800 miles in diameter; from New Jersey down to Georgia.

    The Carolina Bays as evidence of a cosmic impact.


    What are you calling a hypothesis? Please watch the videos before commenting on them.
     
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    Or maybe you were calling bs on the strip mining? The strip mining is even more obvious!

    Earth, The Giant Ancient Mine, Fake Volcanoes, the Bosnian Pyramid and Petra
     
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    12,000 years ago, there was a series of events, there was a melting of a massive amount of ice at the North Pole, which resulted in a couple hundred feet of new water covering the oceans... drowning Atlantis and all the earth's coastal cities... creating islands where land was once joined. But there was also a global tsunami that flooded the continents thousands of feet above sea level... leaving fossils of oceanic life all over the earth. There was also a turn of the earth upon its axis that resulted in 4 seasons and that further melted another couple hundred feet of new water upon the oceans. There was also a mass extinction of fauna and creatures, and this was global, and quite sudden... so even if you was a wooly mammoth and escaped the flood waters, the new climate killed you... and if you was a stone wall running east to west in the mountains of Peru, the jolt of impact directly north sent a shock wave that stretched thousands of stone walls - built and fitted for earthquakes - and totally ripped them apart. The advanced civilization knew the small moon was coming and the high priesthood in Atlantis buried knowledge in 3 spots on earth; one in the Caribbean, one in Mexico, and one under the paw of the Sphinx; after this event, comets were bad omens, who can blame them?

    The ancient evidence of the old earth is all there. The manifold results of the impact event are all there, and the myths record the trauma it placed upon the earth. Mankind went from high tech to hunter/gatherer; took refuge in the mines and re-emerged to a whole new planet. And we have learned that the best way to survive a tsunami is in a boat, so there was probably that too. We have hundreds of myths of both happening.

    Genesis tells us that God created mankind in two forms, traces the lineage of Abraham back as far as preflood genearations and then tells the Noah myth; which seems to be the most popular of the myths, but there are also a lot of reptilian myths, returning from the mines, which, there are tens of thousands of ancient mines in this old earth that you can drive modern mining trucks into (the big trucks). Genesis follows the rise of civilization in Sumeria, and by all accounts, the Sumerians had help from the angels; it is mind boggling how much those people understood. Eventually earth 2.0 gave rise to empires and when the collision of empires had given rise to another global minded society, Jesus came and imparted the anointing of the prophets as a gift to anyone willing to receive it. So we now have a 3rd type of mankind - the fruit of the spirit from heaven dwelling inside us - and the Age is closing and all eyes are on heaven as we look for a new type of mankind to take over ruling the earth. The hope is, we will get back to a society of mankind that is very good... which is what started it all.
     
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