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the genesis of civilization

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  1. EatTheRich

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    No one ... certainly no archeologist or historian ... is saying that Sumerian civilization appeared out of nowhere and not as the product of a long process of social evolution.

    Feel free to show me "magnetrons ... built into the South African landscape," ancient mines and megaliths employing laser technology, or a city "in the heart of the Pacific Ocean."
     
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    You believe in The Gap theory, I do not. I think you are misinterpreting the word Replenish the primary reason for the Gap Theory,


    Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
    28. The Blessing and the Command

    28. replenish] The word is the same as that used in Genesis 1:22 of the fishes, “be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters.”
     
  3. Queen Titania

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  4. Days

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    Alright, your appraisal of the scientific/educational world lacks familiarity with attitudes and paradigms that have been around for hundreds of years. It also seems you haven't watched the videos that I was commenting on. Here's an excellent video on Babylon that was just posted today. Watch it. It should be crystal clear where the paradigm shift hasn't happened yet.

    Ancient Sumeria Discoveries That Have Astounded Todays Historians New Documentary 2018


    What they haven't yet comprehended is that the local kingdoms of the distant ancient past were part and parcel of the greater global community to which those kings belonged.

    feel free to watch the bloody video of Michael Tellingerthat I posted three times. grrrr.

    200,000 Year Old Ancient Technology That Indicates The History Books Are Wrong
     
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    The Gap theory is far too pithy ... I believe in examining all the ancients witnesses and grasping the big picture.

    Can't say I see it all just yet, but that's what this thread was about... probing, collecting; connecting, tossing out possibilities.
     
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    33rd degree mason has been writing books on the Egyptian mystery schools and their point of view. The guy gave a lecture that was just posted.

    Forbidden Knowledge Discoveries That Reveal the True Purpose of Ancient Temples


    copy/paste of my comments under this video....

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    Damian Crudele 2 days ago

    This 33rd degree mason doesn't understand the difference between the common faith of the ancients and the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus did not go through an initiation rite, such as what the Essenes were practicing; Jesus was crucified in public, executed by Roman Law. Jesus did not go into a meditative state, he physically died, was wrapped in burial cloth, and was buried. The ancients understood the difference. Freemasons are so enamored with the mystery schools, they are blinded to the living faith of the true believers in Christ, and I protest to their elitist mindset that this death and resurrection initiation gives them, I die daily, death and resurrection is applied by the holy spirit in the daily walk of Christians, which, by the way, is the true "way" spoken of in the Book of Acts. That isn't to say the other way didn't exist; the presentation is very good at pointing out what existed all over the globe, but this new way in Christ supersedes all of it, we receive the resurrected spirit of Christ and are transformed by it the rest of our life. What the ancient initiates didn't receive was this indwelling Spirit of Christ, given through an actual death and resurrection through the name of Jesus Christ.


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    No he doesn't, he is way off about most things. Freemasonry was closed in the US in 1973. I am one, it is now just a supper club for guys who want to get out of the house.


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    nicholascremato 2 days ago

    What makes me angry more than anything is that there aren't more people like you around and people go to church, listen to a sermon and then do nothing to improve their life or help others!!!


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    Damian Crudele 2 days ago (edited)
    The sheep are taught Christ as a religion, almost as a culture, but never as a living faith ... Christ is our entrance into the presence in front of the living God and daily transformation from this seed growing inside us. The gospel was the giving of that seed, it is the germination of the most high God that was given to men; it is that same germ working in men today. We've lost sight of what the faith is. But the apostasy was prophesied, so it is no marvel that it happened. When you see snakes like this guy, that used to hide in holes in the ground, coming out of his hole, writing books and giving lectures; you know the end is near.

    But taken for what it's worth, I enjoyed the video explaining what the ancient religions were practicing and tying the megalithic sites together. Modern engineers will look at those false relief doors and say "obviously, this was design to receive another stone" ... those doors were doors into the spirit world, the shamans all say so. Also, I enjoyed hearing someone confirm that this was what the ancient Greeks (and Romans) were practicing. The Eucharist offered to Dionysus was not the Lord's table, not part of the passover supper, it was ancient Roman worship of pagan Gods. Those were times God winked at, it was the most high God that planted all the ancient religions through his own anointed cherub - the glory above his throne - so that when the gospel went out, people understood it, and turned from the old to the new. This snake in this video wants us to turn back to the old. There's nothing there but death. I had the third eye opened in me before I received Christ... it's not something I would wish upon others, all we need is Christ risen and the daily walk in the holy spirit. These devils will damage you something awful if you invite them back in.
     
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  7. Queen Titania

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    Darling, you know that I am not of religion but of the philosophies.

    Jesus was the Jewish man-god. His goddess was Sophia, 'the lamp who lights our way'. Philosophy.

    When 'they' made him a literal (political) figure they made him a make up of Dionysus, Mithras and others.

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    They = Rome

    The ancient religions all pararelled each other because they all had the same source; the snake. The common faith was worldwide because the snake was worldwide. When the gospel was sent into all the world, it was received and opposed simultaneously by the common faith. Eventually it was absorbed and conformed, but it didn't originate as the same, nor is it composed of the same fire as the common faith.

    None of the local renditions of the common faith have the seed of Christ. When we receive the indwelling spirit, we all become god men... that never happened in the common faith.

    so it is different...
     
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    Common faith was what ever one wished to believe so long as one didn't ruffle important feathers. If an initiate the aim was to find the 'Christ' in oneself - death and rebirth ect.
     
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    ~ you nailed it. Then along came Christ Jesus and he planted the seed from heaven into men; so it was the same faith (sort of) but it was administered differently, and instead of coming from the shekinah glory of the throne (yo! don't ruffle those feathers!) it was almost secretly slipped inside us the moment we first believed - IOW, received the new life.

    So, instead of sneaking a peek into the spiritual world through shaman type initiations, we are born into it through simple faith, sealed in the Spirit, permanent membership in heaven.

    It's a better deal. ;)
     
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    Spiritual or Religious ecstasy apart Days - there was no Jesus. Jesus was the Jewish man-god - the stories crafted by Jews who were initiates of other 'Mysteries'. They crafted their Jesus & Sophia stories and took the piss out of - what is now known as the Old Testament. Making their heroes villains and their villains heroes ect.

    It seems that Philosophies become literalized when peoples are displaced - they lost their teachers and mystics and so the distinction between inner and outta stories = the structures of the Temple. Of the outta stories people could believe what they will - that is was just story, real or bull shit. Once immortal/an initiate and knowing the inner stories, which immortals were forbidden to relate outside the Temple, no-one within believed the stories or god were real but the tools of philosophy. People became immortals only if they wished and after much learning and acceptance by exam = decoding coded stories in their own words ( examination of soul and understanding). Once in all were equal within be they slave or woman or from any sphere or ethnicity.People could be initiates of many Philosophies and they shared their understandings and knowledge. All human knowledge was within the Temple bar politics and war = the fundamental.

    Of spiritual ecstasy - the Romans did have big problems with the Dionysus followers, in particular, spilling out of their Temples in noisy ecstasies - but not until they literlized the man-god did they ever do anything to curb such revelries. Parties were a massive part of their belief for it was joy they were after = the wedding night of Jesus and Sophia for instance.

    The Romans were in trouble abroad and at home - at home the mystics and teachers, wise men of the Temples were revolting against the Empire - their answer was to take on the beliefs of a small humourless misogynistic cult of displaced peoples and mold their Jesus into one who appealed to all -Mithras for the military and Dionysus for the civilian population - but they took away our Goddess and as a reverse of Isis tore her into many parts -the Marys. Rome usurped the Temples - they became God and Jesus both lost his/our goddess and became flesh. The Temple became the political seat so the Temple was thrown out onto the streets. God who had been a conceptual teaching tool became Government, Gov which could see into your mind.
    Sophia ( mother, sister, lover, wife daughter) fell ( incarnated) from her father's house/heaven ( another concept) - she fell on hard times ( usually a prostitute or abused wife) She asked to come home, Father ( God) said 'turn your womb inside out and I will send your husband, brother to bring you home' - Jesus ( brother, son, lover, husband) went to bring her home - they married = another party. That was the basics of the man-god - Mithras, on the other hand, was the Persian celibate man-god the military loved - was a celibate born out of a rock.

    Here is our religion - this is what they all took from -

    In full

    http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/corpushermetica.pdf

    http://gnosis.org/library/hermet.htm

    A lovely condensed version of it

    https://www.amazon.com/Hermetica-Lost-Wisdom-Pharaohs/dp/158542692X

    I know man to be wonderful made small and ugly by the dogmas which 2000 years ago replaced the sword to control us all.
     
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    Homo sapiens have not been around for very long - homos erectus was around for a very very very long time. longer than any other - we and homo neanderthals and a couple of others probably came out of homo erectus. Many early homos were extinct before we even existed.

    This is an interesting series

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xfdmt
     
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    I have the hardest time opening your ear and JackDallas' ear, cuz you two already know something... when you look at something like this, you think you already know what it is. It is like the frustration the narrator in the video felt for the curators of that museum in Philadelphia that packed an important skeleton away out of sight for 80 years, and even now after discovery of it, refuses to even test the DNA of the skeleton. They have their paradigm, so they are satisfied, they are not interested in testing out ideas that do not fit into their box.

    I'm not in any of the camps; everyone has something to bring to the table, that's how they got published, I'm a total outsider, I got saved so i walked into churches - all kinds of churches - heck I attended a Jamaican 7th Day Adventist church in Miami. I've listened to so many different doctrines, and it is the same for this, I'm aware of what Rome did with the faith, but I'm also aware of so many other things in the faith that Rome never even uncovered...

    But you are right on topic, cuz that was the top post; the whole slant for this thread was the foundations of the world; not the creation of heaven and earth. The beginnings of civilization; what transpired on the ground and what directions it ran.

    At this moment in the fog bank, I'm looking at this like the whole bit with Adam was just God messing with the humans he already made. God is like the atmosphere; there's a gazillion different spirits mixing it up, but we see the whole as one God, one atmosphere. So it seems government with restrictions and control that more or less enslaved mankind, descended from the heavens. Try to remember; the spiritual temples and local deities were not for the masses; it was only the elites that partook in those; it wasn't until Jesus came along that the spirit world was opened up to the masses; then the movement was stepped on by the control freaks and system in Rome.

    Jesus was not born from the ancient religions; he was born into their system, but not of the system. He was totally separate. The system assigned their program to his memory, but Jesus came first and completely crashed the system, only afterward did the system rebuild itself and incorporate the gospels...

    All the faiths of the planet exert themselves upon the outer man. Religion is what you do with your hands and feet. Prophecy rests upon the man; God descends from heaven and clothes us with that spirit. Only Jesus plants his germ of new life inside us, growing inside us like a seedling from heaven, replacing our nature with his nature, eventually bearing fruit; this aspect of the faith is only found in Jesus. It isn't a philosophy that spread through culture; it is regeneration that spread through ignition; literally a fire that spread from heart to heart; it can't be ignited from words in a book or ideas or rituals or government, it can only be spread by the human heart... someone has to show you the way. To receive the spirit we need to ask him into our heart, it is that simple.

    This fire popped up - a new thing - directly when and where the historical Jesus lived and died. It spread like a wildfire throughout the Roman world, long before the elites in Rome embraced it and attempted to control it.

    What isn't seen by the system is the true essence of the faith; the indwelling spirit, "Chist in us, the hope of glory". That's the big difference between Christ Jesus and all the ancient religions that came before. Jesus knew he was bringing forth a new and living way to enter the kingdom of heaven and he knew that everyone already thought they knew the way; "the way" was supposedly known for millenia... but this was a different way...

    I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
    Luke 12:49
     
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    The whole point of the 'Mysteries' was that it is all a mystery - one which the highest initiates were able to become at one with. At one with it all. They believed that when we went into that deep sleep, which we never remember, we meet each other in heaven, that we cannot live life without that constant contact with spirit. Spirit is the all = all is one and one is all. Our soul connects with spirit and each other. They are concepts - What actually happened 2000 years ago was the murder of our spirituality - leaving, as with all good lies, just enough of the truth to be plausible - but we were looking in the wrong direction = a dead end because they had turned spirit into death. If our man-god is dead then so is his religion. Only as us = philosophy, can he live, not as himself. This death and resurrection came from the goddess who fell in love with a mortal - he was killed - she totally distraught - so the gods allowed him to come back to her for a few days every year. There are still festivals where his bed is adored for his yearly resurrection.

    I don't think that you do know what the Romans did Days for it is what they destroyed which is us - and therein our answers. Do you never wonder why they no longer teach the classics? It is always the rediscoveries of them and the Hermetica ( from the Egyptian hieroglyphs) which bring about enlightenments.

    The starting point of western civilization was Babylon, 'the cradle of civilization - of knowledge'. Farming is the base of every civilization, a stable food source. Other great civilizations existed the world over but, if not destroyed by outside forces, shortages of food was usually their end - for eg the Romans as the Babylonians built amazing water supplies to their crops BUT they knew nothing of fertilization. The Bronze age was our best moment. The 'hordes' ran over the Med Civilizations.

    Zoroastrianism is the religion of civilization.

    Man follows the same natural path - in South America or Egypt. In Australia or Sweden the structures are basically the same - before we were forced, on pain of death to believe in Jesus as proscribed, our structures where those we that we had evolved from the first enlightened moment of our existence. To understand us that is where we should look.

    There are new discoveries all of the time darling - here is a new and important one

    https://www.newscientist.com/articl...china-may-rewrite-the-origins-of-our-species/

    My feeling is that you have experienced a powerful enlightenment but that you, as few today have, have no structure to guide you, you flounder - so, as many others have, you are looking for one or looking to explain your experience. Your answer is in the old structures or maybe the Gnostic Christians ( they might at least help a bit) - you are looking outside when the answer is inside. Americans particularly, it seems, feel that they have a religious/philosophical gap to fill - your roots come from elsewhere so some of you are like uprooted trees whose end roots are feeling feeling in the air for ground in which to root themselves. Ground Days - not air, air is a much later initiation.

    And ps Fire is also an initiation.

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    http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/giants-skulls.html
     
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    white light you are amazing... this was such a beautiful post, illuminating the philosophies and extracting the essence of their influence and reign upon the whole of civilization. You are going to be an incredible lawyer, if you get there.

    I get the feeling you dropped this post in because it was stirring in you and didn't have time to read my prior post to you, written just 3 hours earlier; but it sits there on top of this post; wait, I'll copy/paste it in....



    I have the hardest time opening your ear and JackDallas' ear, cuz you two already know something... when you look at something like this, you think you already know what it is. It is like the frustration the narrator in the video felt for the curators of that museum in Philadelphia that packed an important skeleton away out of sight for 80 years, and even now after discovery of it, refuses to even test the DNA of the skeleton. They have their paradigm, so they are satisfied, they are not interested in testing out ideas that do not fit into their box.

    I'm not in any of the camps; everyone has something to bring to the table, that's how they got published, I'm a total outsider, I got saved so i walked into churches - all kinds of churches - heck I attended a Jamaican 7th Day Adventist church in Miami. I've listened to so many different doctrines, and it is the same for this, I'm aware of what Rome did with the faith, but I'm also aware of so many other things in the faith that Rome never even uncovered...

    But you are right on topic, cuz that was the top post; the whole slant for this thread was the foundations of the world; not the creation of heaven and earth. The beginnings of civilization; what transpired on the ground and what directions it ran.

    At this moment in the fog bank, I'm looking at this like the whole bit with Adam was just God messing with the humans he already made. God is like the atmosphere; there's a gazillion different spirits mixing it up, but we see the whole as one God, one atmosphere. So it seems government with restrictions and control that more or less enslaved mankind, descended from the heavens. Try to remember; the spiritual temples and local deities were not for the masses; it was only the elites that partook in those; it wasn't until Jesus came along that the spirit world was opened up to the masses; then the movement was stepped on by the control freaks and system in Rome.

    Jesus was not born from the ancient religions; he was born into their system, but not of the system. He was totally separate. The system assigned their program to his memory, but Jesus came first and completely crashed the system, only afterward did the system rebuild itself and incorporate the gospels...

    All the faiths of the planet exert themselves upon the outer man. Religion is what you do with your hands and feet. Prophecy rests upon the man; God descends from heaven and clothes us with that spirit. Only Jesus plants his germ of new life inside us, growing inside us like a seedling from heaven, replacing our nature with his nature, eventually bearing fruit; this aspect of the faith is only found in Jesus. It isn't a philosophy that spread through culture; it is regeneration that spread through ignition; literally a fire that spread from heart to heart; it can't be ignited from words in a book or ideas or rituals or government, it can only be spread by the human heart... someone has to show you the way. To receive the spirit we need to ask him into our heart, it is that simple.

    This fire popped up - a new thing - directly when and where the historical Jesus lived and died. It spread like a wildfire throughout the Roman world, long before the elites in Rome embraced it and attempted to control it.

    What isn't seen by the system is the true essence of the faith; the indwelling spirit, "Chist in us, the hope of glory". That's the big difference between Christ Jesus and all the ancient religions that came before. Jesus knew he was bringing forth a new and living way to enter the kingdom of heaven and he knew that everyone already thought they knew the way; "the way" was supposedly known for millenia... but this was a different way...

    I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
    Luke 12:49

    the release of the indwelling spirit replaced the mystery schools with the mystery of the faith in Christ Jesus. The dark ages rubbed out everything, so yeah, it was all lost.

    I'm not lost in all of this, I have a solid foundation in the faith, an anchor within the veil, I know exactly what happened to me, my faith has grown day to day for 37 years running. I hope I'm starting to bear some fruit, God knows it is time for that.
     
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    I am studying hard at the mo darling xxx back against wall 'cos I chose a bloody difficult subject to research for my 'end game'. Jesus the EU is the most insidious way of governing a devil could invent! Trying to work out where a 'law' came from is nigh impossible at times. The hidden laws of the EU suddenly emerge out of nowhere and we are supposed to make sense of them ---- lol

    I will get back to you on this thread though xxx
     
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    This thread has a pretty good collection of data and analysis on ancient resources. I think too, a lot of intelligent guesses at what it all means. I'm not sure if we stimulated a response from YouTube but they have come out with a lot of re-examination of the ancient witnesses. Science has been going there since John Anthony West took up the Sphinx argument, but it really kicked in high gear with the realization of machine tooling on the ancient megaliths. Science can no longer ignore the sheer volume of cut stone that covers the planet. We have the myths of Atlantis and Lemuria (Mu) and we have megalithic ruins from those civilizations. Pretending they never existed is now sheer politics, not science. And yet, there's a man made island in the heart of the Pacific Ocean employing 150 million tons of cut block stones (enough stone to build 50 great pyramids) and still no one will investigate it! We haven't even bothered to try and discover the quarry from which all the stone was cut out... and yeah, again, it is all basalt, #8 hardness.

    I studied textual criticism as a minister, and I also did engineering surveyor work, both of which seek to discover the most authoritive witness - the original witness - from the present environment. The past is always brought forward, but not always using the same fashion to do so. That's why you can't ignore shamans in favor modern scientific opinions; heck, the shamans are more likely to give you fact based history. Modern science has a bad habit of throwing out evidence that doesn't fit their beliefs. So much so, modern science is completely ignoring the largest megalithic construction on the planet... it couldn't be more incredible, their disdain for truth in favor of their theories.

    This has been an ongoing project for me, about 15 years running. I started this thread because I wanted to organize my thoughts and collect all the data somewhere. I had no idea so much would pour into this. If you asked me today what to make of the whole history of the planet, it seems there was some sort of collision between an exoplanet or its moon with Mars that might have killed Mars, Mars might have been a living planet. Earth might have picked up its moon from that collision; all we can say for sure is that there is another planet out there, 5 times the size of earth and it has an orbit that brings it inside Jupiter's orbit once every 3600 years... I don't expect there was ever any life on it. The earth and moon are supposed to be 4 billion years old... but that doesn't tell you how long the moon has been orbiting earth.

    Looking back to the beginnings of our current inhabited earth; it seems the earth was covered with waters and land was gathered together, then split into tectonic plates. At some point man was seeded onto the surface along with all the other life. And it seems, God's cherub was manifested and developed the Adamic race to work the land. sweat of his brow. Farming, mining, live stock. ... and central to the effort was the 31st longitude, running from Egypt to South Africa. Expansion east and west yielded Atlantis and Mu civilizations. These were global empires. Many ages passed. Then came the floods, which were the result of global warming and what appears to be a very large asteroid strike that turned the latitudes over in the spin of the earth. Think 11,700 years ago with floods resulting possibly as late as 9000 years ago. The ancient civilizations were apparently aware that the catastrophe was coming and did all they could to survive it; but there's not much you can do about 400 feet of ocean covering central power bases in the Atlantic and Pacific.

    All the technology we have today has been rediscovered from the past. Civilization had to be rebuilt before the various arts and industries could attempt to realize the high technology of the past. We still haven't worked out levitation to the degree where we could put together a full scale pyramid, and that's the only way to build such structures. We are barely aware of the magnetic lay lines that accompany the magnetosphere of the earth; and we have only just begun to understand the true nature of physics that results in gravitational radials for planets and stars. I seem to be the lone voice pointing at the precessional ages as being the result of our sun in tandem orbit with its celestial twin; there is no wobble in the earth's spin, except small wobbles that the spin irons out.

    As far as kingships correlating with astronomical ages; it is all connected through the spiritual realm; and life itself sprang from the spiritual realm. So it makes perfect sense to me, but no sense at all if you don't believe in a spiritual realm. As someone once put it; "We are not humans having a spiritual experience, we are spirits having a human experience."
     
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    by the way, man has mined gold in South Africa for tens of thousands of years... what happened to all the gold? Gold has two states: metal and monotomic white powder. In the Torah, Moses beats the gold calves into monotomic powder; we don't know how to do that. We can make monotomic gold, but I've never heard anyone explain how to convert the metal into the powder. The ancients used to eat the white powder, I guess it has levitational qualities and they felt it also had resurrection qualities. Maybe the ancients knew how to convert the metal into the powder? Maybe they ate all the gold!
     
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    “The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.”

    Robert Jordan
     
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    These two videos approach the same event from two different witnesses; one geologic, the other archaeologic. I am placing the boring geologic evidence first because it explains it all right up front... we've got half a million or more enormous impact craters all down the North American east coast. The direction of the strikes are ALL northwest to southeast. Try this, tilt back the globe from the Carolinas north and westward. That's where the Carolinas were, about the middle of upper Canada. Siberia was down around India to Somalia. The Antarctic was up around South Africa. What must have happened was a very large asteroid or a small moon entered our atmosphere above what used to be the North Pole, exploded something incredible, melted a good deal of the ice cap, then struck somewhere south of what used to be the Arctic Circle. This was an enormous strike, a very large object broke up into over half a million meteorites that survived the atmosphere and made impact; it definitely would have turned the earth over and caused a catastrophic global flood.


    The Carolina Bays as evidence of a cosmic impact.




    Pre Ice Age Construction That we would be Hard Pressed to Re-create Today

     
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