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EatTheRich

President
Of course and that is why the greatest country and greatest hope for mankind is an elected representative constitutional republic.

Thanks for noticing.

Pssssst... I don't want a fuking democracy. This is what they look like.

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The U.S. is the biggest threat to humanity’s survival, at this point.

It also has one of the world’s highest execution rates, so you can spare us your sanctimony about lynchings which were usually done by an interested minority to repress the masses.

Athens was a democracy and produced more geniuses in a couple decades than any country since.
 
The U.S. is the biggest threat to humanity’s survival, at this point.
You yourself are the biggest threat to humanity.
It also has one of the world’s highest execution rates, so you can spare us your sanctimony about lynchings which were usually done by an interested minority to repress the masses.
What the hell are your talking about?
Athens was a democracy and produced more geniuses in a couple decades than any country since.
You're clearly ill.
 

EatTheRich

President
You yourself are the biggest threat to humanity.

What the hell are your talking about?

You're clearly ill.
Racist lynchings were generally promoted by capitalist interests to arrest or reverse a growing alliance of working-class whites and working-class Blacks and ensure that a minority could continue to rule over the majority. Other lynchings often involved direct attacks on popular labor movements. In fascism you see the same pseudo-democracy whereby a mob representing a minority organizes itself to violently repress the majority, on a grand scale.
 
Racist lynchings were generally promoted by capitalist interests to arrest or reverse a growing alliance of working-class whites and working-class Blacks and ensure that a minority could continue to rule over the majority. Other lynchings often involved direct attacks on popular labor movements. In fascism you see the same pseudo-democracy whereby a mob representing a minority organizes itself to violently repress the majority, on a grand scale.
Not that it matters but lynchings occurred across races. There are records for 1300 whites and 3500 blacks being lynched in the U.S. Lynchings demonstrate DEMOCRACY at its finest. GREECE used DEMOCRACY to force its citizens to drink hemlock and suicide themselves.

Your communist take on things still sucks. ;0)
 
We'll be long gone and so will anyone who knew of us before that happens.
Yeah, sure a million years from now, maybe just 1,000, the planet and life will probably still be going around the sun oblivious to the fact that mankind is extinct. Is that your point?
 

EatTheRich

President
Not that it matters but lynchings occurred across races. There are records for 1300 whites and 3500 blacks being lynched in the U.S. Lynchings demonstrate DEMOCRACY at its finest. GREECE used DEMOCRACY to force its citizens to drink hemlock and suicide themselves.

Your communist take on things still sucks. ;0)
You should try reading my whole post before “replying.” If you had, it would be obvious that I knew that “lynchings occurred across races.” I’ll take the fact that you obviously couldn’t be bothered to read and comprehend beyond part of the first sentence into account when I consider how much respect to give your opinion of my “communist take on things.”

Socrates was executed for supporting a foreign invasion with the aim of creating an oligarchic dictatorship. He was a traitor.
 

Spamature

President
Yeah, sure a million years from now, maybe just 1,000, the planet and life will probably still be going around the sun oblivious to the fact that mankind is extinct. Is that your point?
With current technology the world can hold 30 billion people. By the time it gets there it likely be able to hold more.
 
You should try reading my whole post before “replying.” If you had, it would be obvious that I knew that “lynchings occurred across races.” I’ll take the fact that you obviously couldn’t be bothered to read and comprehend beyond part of the first sentence into account when I consider how much respect to give your opinion of my “communist take on things.”
Your communist take on things gets old after a while because often it is not apropos to the analysis requirements. Some people see everything through rose colored glasses. You see things through communist colored glasses too often.
Socrates was executed for supporting a foreign invasion with the aim of creating an oligarchic dictatorship. He was a traitor.
There are many democracy in action examples for Greece that are less than kosher.
 

EatTheRich

President
Your communist take on things gets old after a while because often it is not apropos to the analysis requirements. Some people see everything through rose colored glasses. You see things through communist colored glasses too often.

There are many democracy in action examples for Greece that are less than kosher.
Communism is just the consistent application of materialism and evidence-based evaluation of hypotheses. The ideal communist “perspective” is the perspective of reality undiluted by ideological filtering.

Sure, democracy has almost as sorry a record as, for example, the oligarchy you prefer. That’s why I’m ultimately an anarchist and favor democracy only as a means of transitioning to anarchy.
 
Communism is just the consistent application of materialism and evidence-based evaluation of hypotheses. The ideal communist “perspective” is the perspective of reality undiluted by ideological filtering.
Demonstrably untrue. If it were the persistent and consistent failure of communism would have driven the lesson home by now.
Sure, democracy has almost as sorry a record as, for example, the oligarchy you prefer. That’s why I’m ultimately an anarchist and favor democracy only as a means of transitioning to anarchy.
So you got nothing, that's fine.
 

EatTheRich

President
Demonstrably untrue. If it were the persistent and consistent failure of communism would have driven the lesson home by now.

So you got nothing, that's fine.
Successes of communism: brought down Jim Crow
Brought down apartheid
Ended foot binding
Put the first man in space
Brought electricity to much of the world
Brought literacy to much of the world
Defeated Hitler and ended the Holocaust

Failures of communism: in the face of trillions of dollars spent and millions of lives wasted in efforts to sabotage it, sometimes retreated toward capitalistic policies with disastrous effects
 
Successes of communism: brought down Jim Crow
Brought down apartheid
Ended foot binding
Put the first man in space
Brought electricity to much of the world
Brought literacy to much of the world
Defeated Hitler and ended the Holocaust

Failures of communism: in the face of trillions of dollars spent and millions of lives wasted in efforts to sabotage it, sometimes retreated toward capitalistic policies with disastrous effects
You know what this is? It is YOUR preferred oligarchy of politburo members.


The fundamental truth is there are always going to be "elites" except capitalism and free markets with elites is far better than communism with "elites" will ever or could ever be.
 

EatTheRich

President
You know what this is? It is YOUR preferred oligarchy of politburo members.


The fundamental truth is there are always going to be "elites" except capitalism and free markets with elites is far better than communism with "elites" will ever or could ever be.
Why is an unelected, unaccountable hereditary elite better than one selected based on merit?

Stalin was able to cement himself in power only over the dead bodies of 80% of the pre-1917 Bolsheviks. He could take power only with the critical support of the entire capitalist counterrevolution the interests of which he served. And certainly he expanded privileges for the bureaucracy in a quasi-replication of capitalist privilege. Which he could do because the revolution was weak and required a strong state to defend it. As socialism has gotten stronger, Stalinist repression and the accompanying inequality have weakened.
 
Why is an unelected, unaccountable hereditary elite better than one selected based on merit?
Merit? They more than others on the process of stealing? All the "meritorious" communist elite utterly failed in all aspects.
Stalin was able to cement himself in power only over the dead bodies of 80% of the pre-1917 Bolsheviks. He could take power only with the critical support of the entire capitalist counterrevolution the interests of which he served. And certainly he expanded privileges for the bureaucracy in a quasi-replication of capitalist privilege. Which he could do because the revolution was weak and required a strong state to defend it. As socialism has gotten stronger, Stalinist repression and the accompanying inequality have weakened.
Communist excuses are like [Unwelcome language removed]. Everyone's got one. And NOOOOO the "stronger" socialism hasn't gotten ANY better.
 

EatTheRich

President
Merit? They more than others on the process of stealing? All the "meritorious" communist elite utterly failed in all aspects.

Communist excuses are like [Unwelcome language removed]. Everyone's got one. And NOOOOO the "stronger" socialism hasn't gotten ANY better.
The “communist elite” get where they are by playing by the rules of their respective countries. Now in some countries, especially during socialism’s immaturity, that meant taking power at the expense of the public rather than as their champion ... but it was still a matter of who could do it best and not who was invested with the most inherited advantage.

The Soviet Union became much freer after they won WWII, and Cuba today is freer than the Soviet Union after 1921 (when the counterrevolution strengthened by the Civil War strengthened its grip) ever was.
 
The “communist elite” get where they are by playing by the rules of their respective countries. Now in some countries, especially during socialism’s immaturity, that meant taking power at the expense of the public rather than as their champion ... but it was still a matter of who could do it best and not who was invested with the most inherited advantage.
Occasio-Cortez is your typical socialist who wants to dump the current elite and become the elite themselves. I'd rather have elites in a capitalist, free-market system than elites in a regressive communist system.

The Soviet Union became much freer after they won WWII, and Cuba today is freer than the Soviet Union after 1921 (when the counterrevolution strengthened by the Civil War strengthened its grip) ever was.
Complete bullshit. Or you don't know what freedom really is.
 
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