The left wants your children, your grand children, and great grand children to live cheek to jowl...

[EatTheRich]

Occasio-Cortez is your typical socialist who wants to dump the current elite and become the elite themselves. I'd rather have elites in a capitalist, free-market system than elites in a regressive communist system.


Complete bullshit. Or you don't know what freedom really is.

Ocasio-Cortex has nothing to do with the working-class fight for socialism.

Cuban leaders can only advance their personal interest by advancing the collective interest of the majority. And that means afvancing the cause of freedom.

 

[resident_evil]

Ocasio-Cortex has nothing to do with the working-class fight for socialism.

Says you. But you can replace any other communist's name for her and the same holds.

Cuban leaders can only advance their personal interest by advancing the collective interest of the majority. And that means afvancing the cause of freedom.

ha ha

 

[resident_evil]

Will anybody explain the benefit of living in a country of over 1.1 billion people? What is the allure of it to the left who constantly claim to be environmental conservationists?

 

[EatTheRich]

Will anybody explain the benefit of living in a country of over 1.1 billion people? What is the allure of it to the left who constantly claim to be environmental conservationists?

Putting aside the fact that no one is advocating that, increasing the U.S.’s population would be good for the environment because people in the U.S. consume resources that are produced more efficiently than people enjoying the same standard of living in other parts of the world due to the U.S.’s higher productivity.

 

[resident_evil]

Putting aside the fact that no one is advocating that,

Wrong. Macron is saying migration is unstoppable and expects 200 million Africans to enter Europe within 30 years. The UN population projection report makes the case that that the U.S. (and EU) need mass migration for economic survival reasons. So don't bother setting that aside.

increasing the U.S.’s population would be good for the environment because people in the U.S. consume resources that are produced more efficiently than people enjoying the same standard of living in other parts of the world due to the U.S.’s higher productivity.

No, people living a life closer to the land are more environmentally friendly. When they are enabled with food production technology such as India was their population simply increases. So it is environmentally better to educate people from having more than 2 children and keeping them on the farm. As far as your productivity argument goes it is just your supposition and YOU know it.

Economically enabling China was a complete disaster for mankind and the planet.

 

[EatTheRich]

Wrong. Macron is saying migration is unstoppable and expects 200 million Africans to enter Europe within 30 years. The UN population projection report makes the case that that the U.S. (and EU) need mass migration for economic survival reasons. So don't bother setting that aside.


No, people living a life closer to the land are more environmentally friendly. When they are enabled with food production technology such as India was their population simply increases. So it is environmentally better to educate people from having more than 2 children and keeping them on the farm. As far as your productivity argument goes it is just your supposition and YOU know it.

Economically enabling China was a complete disaster for mankind and the planet.

No, productivity is measurably higher in the wealthier countries.

Your goal of keeping the third world starving and backward explains why immigration numbers are so high (that and the fact that the U.S. and EU do in fact need high immigration to avoid economic suicide).

 

[resident_evil]

No, productivity is measurably higher in the wealthier countries.

Your goal of keeping the third world starving and backward explains why immigration numbers are so high (that and the fact that the U.S. and EU do in fact need high immigration to avoid economic suicide).

Are you virtue signalling fagggotry again? Enough already.

 

[Dawg]

liberalism's future in America

 

[middleview]

Successes of communism: brought down Jim Crow
Brought down apartheid
Ended foot binding
Put the first man in space
Brought electricity to much of the world
Brought literacy to much of the world
Defeated Hitler and ended the Holocaust

Failures of communism: in the face of trillions of dollars spent and millions of lives wasted in efforts to sabotage it, sometimes retreated toward capitalistic policies with disastrous effects

1. Communism didn't end Jim Crow.
2. Socialism did help end apartheid in South Africa.
3. Not so sure about that.
4. So?
5. Bullshit.
6. Bullshit.
7. Seems the Russians weren't alone in the fight against Hitler. If
the Germans hadn't had to fight the allies in east do you actually
think the Russians would have been victorious alone? It really is too
bad they cooperated with the nazis in the late 1930s. They even
helped the Germans develop tank technology that helped the
blitzkreig kick their buts in 1940.

 

[EatTheRich]

1. Communism didn't end Jim Crow.
2. Socialism did help end apartheid in South Africa.
3. Not so sure about that.
4. So?
5. Bullshit.
6. Bullshit.
7. Seems the Russians weren't alone in the fight against Hitler. If
the Germans hadn't had to fight the allies in east do you actually
think the Russians would have been victorious alone? It really is too
bad they cooperated with the nazis in the late 1930s. They even
helped the Germans develop tank technology that helped the
blitzkreig kick their buts in 1940.

1. The Communist Party was the first national party to nominate a Black man for Vice President. The Socialist Workers Party was the first to nominate a Black man for president. The March on Washington was first suggested by Leon Trotsky. Communist organizers pioneered the sit-down strike. Communists were the first to protest Blacks having to sit in the back of the bus. Communists played a crucial role in organizing alternative transportation, allowing the Montgomery bus boycott to succeed. Communists led the Scottsboro Boys defense. Communists defeated the McCarthy-Nixon witch hunt thereby helping create an environment in which civil rights fighters could organize.
2. In and of itself an eternal credit to its success.
3. When’s the last time you heard of foot binding?
4. So it’s a testament to the technological and economic vistas that socialism opens up.
5. The Soviet Union was the first large nation to be fully electrified. Soviet, E. German, and N. Korean aid helped bring electricity to Egypt, India, and many other capitalist countries.
6. Literacy in China went from 50% to 85%. That’s hundreds of millions of people right there.
7. Yes, the USSR’s unprincipled collaboration with Nazi Germany is very much to their shame. Then, they did finally destroy Nazi Germany with very little help from their “allies.” France spent the Winter War supporting Finland and coddling Germany and that’s one of the reasons it fell so quickly to the German advance. The UK did a bunch (well, a bit) of dilatory fighting in N. Africa, pulling away iirc less than 10% of the Wehrmacht from the Eastern Front. The U.S. was more interested in fighting Japan, and even when they began invading Europe made very little effort to coordinate with the Soviets who continued to absorb the bulk of the German war effort. The British and Americans also supported Chetniks, Polish and Ukrainian “nationalists,” Greek rightists, etc., all of whom often found ways to cooperate with the Nazis to sabotage the partisan resistance.

 

[EatTheRich]

liberalism's future in America

Did you know how made up that is and how insane it sounds?

 

[middleview]

1. The Communist Party was the first national party to nominate a Black man for Vice President. The Socialist Workers Party was the first to nominate a Black man for president. The March on Washington was first suggested by Leon Trotsky. Communist organizers pioneered the sit-down strike. Communists were the first to protest Blacks having to sit in the back of the bus. Communists played a crucial role in organizing alternative transportation, allowing the Montgomery bus boycott to succeed. Communists led the Scottsboro Boys defense. Communists defeated the McCarthy-Nixon witch hunt thereby helping create an environment in which civil rights fighters could organize.
2. In and of itself an eternal credit to its success.
3. When’s the last time you heard of foot binding?
4. So it’s a testament to the technological and economic vistas that socialism opens up.
5. The Soviet Union was the first large nation to be fully electrified. Soviet, E. German, and N. Korean aid helped bring electricity to Egypt, India, and many other capitalist countries.
6. Literacy in China went from 50% to 85%. That’s hundreds of millions of people right there.
7. Yes, the USSR’s unprincipled collaboration with Nazi Germany is very much to their shame. Then, they did finally destroy Nazi Germany with very little help from their “allies.” France spent the Winter War supporting Finland and coddling Germany and that’s one of the reasons it fell so quickly to the German advance. The UK did a bunch (well, a bit) of dilatory fighting in N. Africa, pulling away iirc less than 10% of the Wehrmacht from the Eastern Front. The U.S. was more interested in fighting Japan, and even when they began invading Europe made very little effort to coordinate with the Soviets who continued to absorb the bulk of the German war effort. The British and Americans also supported Chetniks, Polish and Ukrainian “nationalists,” Greek rightists, etc., all of whom often found ways to cooperate with the Nazis to sabotage the partisan resistance.

I'll take this one item at a time. When was the last time I hear of foot binding? In your post.

In 1912, the new Republic of China government banned foot binding (though not actively implemented),and leading intellectuals of the May Fourth Movement saw footbinding as a major symbol of China's backwardness. Local warlords such as Yan Xishan in Shanxi engaged in their own sustained campaign against footbinding with feet inspectors and fines for those who continued with the practice, while regional governments of the later Nanjing regime also enforced the ban. The campaign against footbinding was very successful in some regions; in one province, a 1929 survey showed that whereas only 2.3% of girls born before 1910 had unbound feet, 95% of those born after were not bound.In a region south of Beijing, Dingxian, where over 99% of women were once bound, no new cases were found among those born after 1919. In Taiwan, the practice was also discouraged by the ruling Japanese from the beginning of Japanese rule, and from 1911 to 1915 it was gradually made illegal.The practice however lingered on in some regions in China; in 1928, a census in rural Shanxi found that 18% of women had bound feet,[29] while in some remote rural areas such as Yunnan Province it continued to be practised until the 1950s. In most parts of China, however, the practice had virtually disappeared by 1949. The practice was also stigmatized in Communist China, and the last vestiges of footbinding were stamped out, with the last new case of footbinding reported in 1957. By the 21st century, only a few elderly women in China still have bound feet. In 1999, the last shoe factory making lotus shoes, the Zhiqiang Shoe Factory in Harbin, closed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_binding

 

[Barbella]

We'll be long gone and so will anyone who knew of us before that happens.

Hahahahaha! Is climate change any of our business? After all, we’ll be long gone by the time everything sinks into the oceans... lol

 

[Barbella]

Putting aside the fact that no one is advocating that, increasing the U.S.’s population would be good for the environment because people in the U.S. consume resources that are produced more efficiently than people enjoying the same standard of living in other parts of the world due to the U.S.’s higher productivity.

Huh?

 

[middleview]

1. The Communist Party was the first national party to nominate a Black man for Vice President. The Socialist Workers Party was the first to nominate a Black man for president. The March on Washington was first suggested by Leon Trotsky. Communist organizers pioneered the sit-down strike. Communists were the first to protest Blacks having to sit in the back of the bus. Communists played a crucial role in organizing alternative transportation, allowing the Montgomery bus boycott to succeed. Communists led the Scottsboro Boys defense. Communists defeated the McCarthy-Nixon witch hunt thereby helping create an environment in which civil rights fighters could organize.

That the communist party or the Socialist party nominated black men for office is meaningless. It certainly didn't end Jim Crow. If anything associating the civil rights movement with the communist party was a setback.

Leon Trotsky suggested a "march on Washington"? He died in 1940. The march occured in 1963.

Communist organizers? When did they protest blacks having to sit in the back of the bus. I'm not aware of that protest.

Communists ended the McCarthy hearings? Bullshit. Edward R Murrow did. Support eroded pretty quickly after his broadcasts.

 

[Marcus Aurelius]

Did you know how made up that is and how insane it sounds?

Do you know how dumb and insane you sound?

CNN:
Venezuela: How a rich country collapsed

ABS-CBN:
How once-mighty Venezuelan economy collapsed

CNBC:
Venezuela was once the wealthiest country in South America — Here’s how it descended into turmoil

Star Tribune:
Venezuela, once South America's richest country, continues to spiral

 

[middleview]

7. Yes, the USSR’s unprincipled collaboration with Nazi Germany is very much to their shame. Then, they did finally destroy Nazi Germany with very little help from their “allies.” France spent the Winter War supporting Finland and coddling Germany and that’s one of the reasons it fell so quickly to the German advance. The UK did a bunch (well, a bit) of dilatory fighting in N. Africa, pulling away iirc less than 10% of the Wehrmacht from the Eastern Front. The U.S. was more interested in fighting Japan, and even when they began invading Europe made very little effort to coordinate with the Soviets who continued to absorb the bulk of the German war effort. The British and Americans also supported Chetniks, Polish and Ukrainian “nationalists,” Greek rightists, etc., all of whom often found ways to cooperate with the Nazis to sabotage the partisan resistance.

Your version of history is entertaining, to say the least. Do you actually think the only fighting by the allies against Germany was in Africa? Are you suggesting that 90% of the Wehrmacht was fighting against Russia through the entire war? My wife's uncle died at Anzio. How many German troops were stationed in Italy? Did you know that Italy was forced to withdraw 200,000 troops from Russia because of the Allied invasion of Italy?

How many German troops were in Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands? You forget how much of the German resources were being used against partisans in Poland and France.

How many British and American flyers were killed in missions over Germany? Do you think the destruction of German industrial capacity helped Russia?

Let me remind you of the massacre at the Katyn forest or the fact that the Russian army stood by while the Germans liquidated the Warsaw uprising.

You can certainly point to the vast number of Russian troops killed, but the fact is that they died largely due to Stalin's incompetence. They'd order a charge to attack German positions and if the Russian troops retreated their own machine guns would mow them down. The Russians were not defeated because they didn't run out of cannon fodder.

 

[middleview]

Wrong. Macron is saying migration is unstoppable and expects 200 million Africans to enter Europe within 30 years. The UN population projection report makes the case that that the U.S. (and EU) need mass migration for economic survival reasons. So don't bother setting that aside.

1. When did Macron say that?
2. The UN report offers several scenarios for future population growth.
It does not come close to attempting to force quotas for immigration.

 

[Spamature]

Hahahahaha! Is climate change any of our business? After all, we’ll be long gone by the time everything sinks into the oceans... lol

No you are talking about two different timelines here.

 

[Dawg]

Hahahahaha! Is climate change any of our business? After all, we’ll be long gone by the time everything sinks into the oceans... lol

we were supposed to be gone already according to their King Gore.
Kotex now claim just 12 more years