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The popular vote isn't a thing

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by kaz, May 23, 2019.

  1. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    Winston: The Constitution sucks, Iowa is more important than NJ and it shouldn't be, the founders never designed a system to work that way

    kaz: The founders who wrote the Constitution? Actually, Iowa versus New Jersey is the primaries, which is controlled by the parties, not the Constitution

    Winston: The Constitution doesn't control the primaries kaz! Sheesh

    kaz: That's what I just said. So how does the Constitution make Iowa more important than NJ?

    Winston: "Iowa voters are more important in primaries, nj never selects a nominee. So get your facts straight before you babble"

    Yeah ...
     
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  2. Winston

    Winston Do you feel lucky, Punk

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    I never mentioned the constitution.

    I said the primaries are unfair
     
  3. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    77,000 votes spread over WI MI and PA gave Trump the electoral win. Trump can't count on those 77,000 voters to be with him in 2020.
     
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  4. Winston

    Winston Do you feel lucky, Punk

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    So Trump won the popular vote

    Excellent
     
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  5. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    OK, fair enough. But when you said how our country was "designed," that sounded like the Constitution to me. The rest then sounds to me like it was saying the Constitution isn't being followed. I'll admit you didn't explicitly say that, but you have to admit why I took it that way

    Original quote:

     
  6. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Tho popular vote compact needs a few more states to add up to 270 electors. In case you hadn't noticed, no campaign events happened in Missouri...The election is really about the few battleground states.
     
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  7. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    in 2012 Obama won both the popular and EC vote. WTF are you talking about?
     
  8. Winston

    Winston Do you feel lucky, Punk

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    Seriously people running from the kitchen to the bedroom to vote, need to be euthanized
     
  9. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    Um ... what?
     
  10. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    That's right. The Democrats can run anyone you'll definitely win. I think you should go with that. Don't learn anything, there's no reason to. Doing what you did last time will result in a totally different result
     
  11. trapdoor

    trapdoor Governor

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    Missouri is among those battleground states, but you miss the point. Amending the Constitution requires a 2/3 majority of the states to ratify -- and you can't get 2/3s to do that because it means taking a lot of electoral power away from Arizona, Alabama, Kansas New Mexico, Missouri Montana, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Kentucky, Idaho, Mississippi, Utah, Nebraska, Tennessee, and Texas -- and a half dozen others I'm skipping from memory. Too many states would oppose the idea.
     
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  12. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    That's Plan A.

    Plan B. Stack the Supreme Court and have the Constitution declared Unconstitutional and decree the popular vote under the guise the Constitution isn't treating every citizen equally. I think they'll eventually do it
     
  13. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    The battleground states are where the election takes place. 94% of all election events took place in 12 states.
    https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/campaign-events-2016

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    middleview President Supporting Member

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  16. trapdoor

    trapdoor Governor

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    Well, I told people I'd vote for a dead chimp before I'd vote for Hillary, mostly because I didn't want her to have SCOTUS appointments. Looks like I'll have to hold my nose and vote for Trump again (I'll say the Russians made me do it).
     
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  17. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    Then Maybe Hillary should have gone to other states more often- instead of repeatedly lining her pockets with her cash cow- aka California.
     
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  18. Winston

    Winston Do you feel lucky, Punk

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    She tried but she kept tripping
     
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  19. middleview

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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    What do you think would be the down side of using the popular vote instead of the EC?
    The fact is that there were two elections where the EC didn't match the popular vote. You like it because your "team" won, but gave us two of the worst presidents I've seen in my 66 years.

    The upside would be that my vote would be equal to the vote of a person in Montana or Rhode Island. Republicans in California would have a reason to turn out to vote for president. Candidates would be running a national campaign, not just working the numbers in the battleground states.
     
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