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the pro-'choice' left. well unless talking about education

Discussion in 'Government Offices and Programs' started by DefeatObama, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    And in the process end a Depression. And cutting back during the recovery in '37 did what??
     
  2. Bruce

    Bruce Council Member

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    Hippie's? So all dem's are liberal hippie's? Here's your history lesson. I served from 65-68 and I returned from Viet Nam just as the illustrious Nixon was elected pres. Small segment of hippie's but a good number of college student's protested the Viet Nam war. Not surprising but a good portion were from the rich families. Then there was Mitt, never met a deferment he did'nt like Romney.
    Although the campus was becoming radicalized with the beginnings of 1960s social and political movements, Romney kept a well-groomed appearance and enjoyed traditional campus events.[18] In May 1966, he was part of a counter-protest against a group staging a sit-in in the university administration building in opposition to draft status tests.Romney had missed much of the tumultuous American anti-Vietnam War movement while away, and was surprised to learn that his father had turned against the war during his unsuccessful 1968 presidential campaign.[33] Regarding the military draft, Romney had initially received a student deferment, then like most other Mormon missionaries a ministerial deferment while in France, then another student deferment.[33][44] When those ran out, his high number in the December 1969 draft lottery (300) ensured he would not be selected.[21][33][44][45]

    Nixon and Viet Nam
    In the 1968 election, Republican Richard Nixon claimed to have a plan to end the war in Vietnam, but, in fact, it took him five years to disengage the United States from Vietnam. Indeed, Richard Nixon presided over as many years of war in Indochina as did Johnson. About a third of the Americans who died in combat were killed during the Nixon presidency.
    Insofar as he did have a plan to bring "peace with honor," it mainly entailed reducing American casualties by having South Vietnamese soldiers bear more of the ground fighting--a process he called "Vietnamization"--and defusing anti-war protests by ending the military draft. Nixon provided the South Vietnamese army with new training and improved weapons and tried to frighten the North Vietnamese to the peace table by demonstrating his willingness to bomb urban areas and mine harbors. He also hoped to orchestrate Soviet and Chinese pressure on North Vietnam.

    The most controversial aspect of his strategy was an effort to cut the Ho Chi Minh supply trail by secretly bombing North Vietnamese sanctuaries in Cambodia and invading that country and Laos. The U.S. and South Vietnamese incursion into Cambodia in April 1970 helped destabilize the country, provoking a bloody civil war and bringing to power the murderous Khmer Rouge, a Communist group that evacuated Cambodia's cities and threw thousands into re-education camps.
    Although Nixon initially escalated the war in Vietnam, he subsequently ended US involvement in 1973. Nixon's visit to the People's Republic of China in 1972 opened diplomatic relations between the two nations, and he initiated détente and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union the same year. Domestically, his administration generally embraced policies that transferred power from Washington to the states. Among other things, he initiated wars on cancer and drugs, imposed wage and price controls, enforced desegregation of Southern schools and established the Environmental Protection Agency.
    Anything else I can educate you on? You'll probably repudiate this but trust me ,that's history.
     
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Council Member

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    YUP, WWII, Was'nt outclassed on spending untill Ronald Reagan took office. Then Daddy Bush kept the same policies and tried to outclass Reagan's spending. But then,the one that took them all to task with tax breaks and spending was the one and only notorious GW BUSH. Hell, a good portion of Obama's debt is interest payment's on Bush's debt.
     
  4. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    The Diff was that FDR spent on infrastructure (high FM) initially and then on War making.

    reagan and GHWB spent purely on warmaking at a time when the economy was running at full tilt and Fiscal Multiplier for DoD spending was well below 0.5
     
  5. Old Ridge Runner

    Old Ridge Runner Mayor

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    Well if there is only a 10% chance that one should be able to fund their own contraceptives, according to your logic.

    You must like Somalia, it that where your vacation home is? It is bad enough I pay for my mistakes, why should I have to pay for you uncaring idiots that think everything should be free and you should have a happy go lucky life?

    No it come down that if you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex. That is what saves on unwanted pregnancies. What the Chuch objects to is the interferance of a leftwing government overstepping their bounds and doing what the Constitution forbids them to do.
     
  6. Old Ridge Runner

    Old Ridge Runner Mayor

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    Look it up brainiac.
     
  7. Old Ridge Runner

    Old Ridge Runner Mayor

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    Look Brucie tryed to make a funny. Try a little harder next time Brucie.
     
  8. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    The increase in federal spending was pretty evenly split between social spending and DOD. How else do you think Ronnie got the Dems to go along?
     
  9. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    "Conservatism built America"? So all of the Chinese laborers who built the railroads were conservatives? All the participants in the land rush to the west were conservatives? Did you know that republicans were in control of the congress and the White House for about 30 years before the crash of 1929? FDR crippled the US? I was of the opinion that he dug us out of the worst economic crisis of the 20th century and at the same time saved us from the dictatorships of Japan and Germany....preventing the destruction of America.
     
  10. DefeatObama

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    "After many years of confiscatory taxes, businessmen desperately needed incentives to expand. By 1945 the top marginal income tax rate was 94 percent on all income over $200,000. We also had a high excess-profits tax that had absorbed more than one-third of all corporate profits since 1943—and another corporate tax that reached as high as 40 percent on other profits.

    In 1945 and 1946 Congress repealed the excess-profits tax, cut the corporate tax to a maximum 38 percent, and cut the top income tax rate to 86 percent. In 1948 Congress sliced the top marginal rate further, to 82 percent.

    Those rates were still high, but they were the first cuts since the 1920s and sent the message that businesses could keep much of what they earned. The year 1946 was not without ups and downs in employment, occasional strikes, and rising prices. But the “regime certainty” of the 1920s had largely returned, and entrepreneurs believed they could invest again and be allowed to make money.

    As Sears, Roebuck and Company Chairman Robert E. Wood observed, after the war “we were warned by private sources that a serious recession was impending. . . . I have never believed that any depression was in store for us.”

    With freer markets, balanced budgets, and lower taxes, Wood was right. Unemployment was only 3.9 percent in 1946, and it remained at roughly that level during most of the next decade. The Great Depression was over."
    http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/what-ended-the-great-depression/
     
  11. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    Hmm you cite data a decade later and don't answer the qustion.

    FAIL.
     
  12. DefeatObama

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  13. DefeatObama

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    no they were laborers. you think under capitalism everybody's the boss? world needs ditch diggers too.

    yes I'm sure you're under the impression that FDR was king of the hill.
    http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/what-ended-the-great-depression/

    I'm sure Social Security spending has never exceeded projections either
     
  14. DefeatObama

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    yes. FDR prolonged the depression

    "This happened in the Great Depression as the economy finally began to recover after a major slowdown in government interference in the labor market between mid 1935 and early 1937. However, these gains were reversed by the Supreme Court's surprise ruling (which followed Roosevelt's threat to pack the Court) upholding the constitutionality of the National Labor Relations Act. Real wage rates rose sharply in the months that followed.

    Unemployment, which had fallen to around 13 percent on the day of the court ruling, was back above 20 percent a year later. When market processes lead us to see light at the end of the tunnel, the government sometimes adds more tunnel"
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v32n3/cp32n3-1.html

    fail that
     
  15. degsme

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    Hmm and what was that "reason"? Domino theory? RIGHT... That worked out so provably accurate

    Obama inherited Afghanistan and get this... GOT BIN LADEN

    GWB screwed up Afghanistan becuase he was to cowardly to try and explain to the American public why as an Occupying Power we were giving Afghani civillians things that he was refusing to give Americans at home.

    So instead GWB installed Karzai and turned the USA into an educator of Afghani Troops. He did the same thing in Iraq. As a result Iraq is in the process of devolving into 3 fragmented and ethnically cleansed regions with amplified histories of aggrieved injuries between them.

    WELL DONE.. I mean screw up your career in the AF Reserves and you need Daddy to get you into Harvard B school

    But screw up two whole nations completely and you get to blame your successor who inherits the mess. Just have to say "WELL DONE" on that one".
    [video=youtube;BFtkJd8w5UQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtkJd8w5UQ[/video]
     
  16. happyatheist

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    I don't deal in euphemisms. I, personally, have no problem in stating unequivocally that a fertilized egg is human - it is an early stage human being.

    A fertilized egg/zygote/embryo/fetus is erased on a regular basis without having a chance to live outside the womb. It is estimated that somewhere between 25-40% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, not to mention the regular, if far fewer, pregnancies that end with a stillborn child. In other words, a very high number of "fetuses", as you call them, are routinely spontaneously aborted without any interference from anyone. I see no reason why one that is aborted on purpose should bear anymore relevance than one that is not. The result is the same, that early stage human being does not fully develop and get born.

    But, as the other person pointed out above - the early stage human being does not have the requisite ability to think and/or care. So the answer is, no, it doesn't care, because it can't care.

    But, yes, I think it matters that people make their thoughts and terminology as clear and accurate as possible.
     
  17. DefeatObama

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  18. degsme

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    hmm so can you refute the verifiable facts that

    The Domino Theory was valid?
    That the USSR's GDP was NOT in free fall BEFORE Reagan took office
    That after Reagan's 1986 tax cuts GDP growth SLOWED below its previous rate?
    That Obama inherited the Second largest percentage wise GDP crash in US history and the largest in absolute numbers in HUMAN history?
    That Obama has gone from 820,000 jobs lost per month the month before his inauguration to two monts of 220,000 new jobs created?
    That Microprocessors were invented under Kennedy for use in NASA and ICBM Guidance systems?
    That Internet protocols were developed for the DARPA network initially under Carter?
    That the HTTP "mosaic" browser was developed by the DOE/DoD under Clinton?

    Just ANY actual factual refutation here plesae... rather than just ad hominem

     
  19. oicu812

    oicu812 "Trust, but Verify"

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    pro-abortion is exactly what now, pro-choice people called THEMSELVES for many years... years later one of them figured out pro-choice sounded better...like global warming,,,changed to climate change....
     
  20. Friday13

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    Love this part...they don't consider this, as they believe they make no mistakes.
     

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