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the pro-'choice' left. well unless talking about education

Discussion in 'Government Offices and Programs' started by DefeatObama, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. oicu812

    oicu812 "Trust, but Verify"

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  2. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Ah, so only the bosses get credit for building America and they are all conservatives?
     
  3. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Do you drink alcohol? Eat meat? Are you overweight? Do you exercise? Does your wife come from a family with a history of breast cancer? Do you smoke?

    If you have an insurance policy through your employer then your policy may actually cost more than mine, but because risk is shared, your premium is the same as mine. What you don't get is that contraception is no different than any other coverage. You want your insurance company to cover viagra? I don't need it and don't think I should have to pay....that is your logic. There is no insurance plan that allows you to select just the medical issues you expect to experience. You are not paying for just what you are liable to use, you are paying for the risks associated with eveyone on your plan....

    Yes, that means that insurance itself is sort of a socialist scheme....don't like it? Tough. I don't have a solution for you and I bet if you looked at the insurance issue with an open mind you'd realize just how silly your argument is.
     
  4. DefeatObama

    DefeatObama Council Member

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    dude FACT THIS.

    clinton presided over nothing. and people think he was a great president.

    you're trying to deny Reagan credit for dropping the soviet union.

    that's lame

    makes you a partisan.

    of course there were a zillion variables in play.

    AND they collapsed under his and HW's watch.

    so give credit where credit is due.

    and I love the OBAMA SUCKS LESS jive.. what we don't know and can't measure (though he does using jive like jobs saved) is where we'd be economically if we had an American as president

    and the rest of the internet jive is more granny warren socialist rap.
     
  5. DefeatObama

    DefeatObama Council Member

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    read what I wrote
     
  6. DefeatObama

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    so your 'open minded' solution is: DEAL WITH IT?
     
  7. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    Why does someone have to be "open minded" about stupid proposals?
     
  8. degsme

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    Um that's not the issue. The issue is whether or not it makes sense to have contraceptive coverage as part of basic healthcare insurance, alongside treatment for erectile disfunction, Urinary Tract infections, prostrate exams, HPV vaccinations... etc.

    Again, if you don't want to have ME pay for your mistakes as well, Somalia's the place to go. ME? I think somalia sucks. YOU are the one who advocates policies and a role for government that is what Somalia has implemented.

    So as far as I can tell, Somalia would be Eden... FOR YOU. ME? I like that I have a society that helps me achive more than I can on my own, and in the case that something happens to me that I have not forseen, is there to help me in my time of need. And that definately isn't Somalia.

    if "self reliance" is so great, why is Somalia in such bad shap?


    See that's the part you don't get. If something has a 10% chance or less of happening, its not logical to "not do it" simply because there is a 10% chance.


    The Constitution does not ban regulation of CIVIC BUSINESS. The Church is objecting to being asked to play by the rules of CIVIC BUSINESS, when it CHOOSES to leave its protected realm of Religious action and seek the legal and financial BENEFITS of CIVIC BUSINESS.

    Sorry no. If you want to have the benefits of being a business (liability limitations, fund raising, financial transactions) you also get to submit to the CIVIC BUSINESS rules. If you don't want to, if you want to stand a point of RELIGIOUS PRIVILEDGE... you can. No one is forcing the Church to run businesses.
     
  9. Bruce

    Bruce Council Member

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    I did'nt see anything about funding the enemy.
     
  10. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    dumbest post you've made to date and that is an achievement.....
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Council Member

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    Yup, Reagan broke the soviet's and spent us into oblivion doing it. Your real problem is is in the number's. The rich winger's preach fiscal policy as they raid our treasury and run the plastic to do it.
    The problem is (your problem is) finding the info to refute true number's from fiscal policies of the republican administration's and now you and your headmaster's want to keep right on doing it. Cut the taxes to the rich ) and run the CC thru the machine again to pay for the tax cut's. Eventually, you and I will pay for the cut's that the rich will enslave us with.
     
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    So the only reason the Soviet Union collapsed was because of Reagan and GHW Bush? That makes you an incurable partisan. Every president from Truman to Reagan made a contribution.

    If Reagan deserves credit for that because it happened on his watch then he also deserves credit for tripling the national debt and the S&L collapse. And while we are dishing out credit, W and W alone deserves the credit for the current recession....it did happen on his watch, right skip?

    An American for president? Hawaii is part of the United States. His birth to a US citizen in Honolulu makes Obama an American....

    Nobody is questioning Bush's citizenship, but God help us if we get another like him for four years....

    The rest of your jive is just so much Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter...bullshlt.....
     
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    Yup, Amazing how the CEO"S and BOD's Make so much money so it's anything but socialism.
    $102 Million Payout To United Healthcare CEO Draws Outrage
    Attorney General Richard Blumenthal today expressed outrage over reports that United Healthcare paid its CEO $102 million in compensation last year and called on the state Department of Insurance to consider executive pay in future company rate cases.
     
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    The rest of your jive is just so much Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter...bullshlt..... Do'nt forget the hypocrit O-Reily
     
  16. Old Ridge Runner

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    That is exactly the issue, government stopping it war and inoring the Constitution and people paying for their own care that is not provided for them. That is what you do not want to address.
     
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    "Stopping it war"? huh? That doesn't parse

    As for "ignoring the Constitution" - well it is true that Conservatives in Congress very much passed laws that ignored the Constitutuion when they

    1. Did not object to GWB's use of Writs of Attainder to start Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo bay
    2. Ignored GWB's Writ of Attainder against Jose Padilla
    3. ignored GWB's use of torture
    4. Passed the first Detainee Treatment Act suspending habess rights on Guantanamo Bay
    5. Passed the second Detainee Treatment Act suspending Due Process rights on Guantanamo Bay

    But the Supreme Court of the USA overturned those

    But you are hard pressed to show any of us, based in the actual text of the US Constittion, that the current administration has done anything like that.

    For example the Healthcare REform Act... does not do what you conservatives claim it does. There is no text in the law that says everyone MUST purchase Healthcare Insurance. That text SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST. so to claim that the "mandate" is Unconstitional is a bit like saying that Santa Claus is Unconstitutional.

    There IS a clause in the HRA that clearly derives its authorty form the 16th Amendment of the Constitution that reduces your tax burden if you purchase healthcare insurance. And that is Constitutionally no different than reducing your tax burden if you buy a mortgage, a share in an oil well, a rental property etc.

    And like with the Oil well or mortgage, if you CHOOSE NOT TO PURCHASE - you pay a higher tax rate.


    So this notion of "ignoring the Constitution" is just something you are making up. You are really saying "I don't like this policy so it MUST BE Unconstitutional".... The reality is that you cannot actually come up with the part of the text that is the problem and how it fails to follow the Constitution.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    I read what you wrote....read what I wrote....
     
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    Waterboarding is not torture? By the fact that we have convicted a sheriff and his deputies in AZ and more than one Japanese soldier after the war for using waterboarding, I'd say it is.

    No, not all prisoners at Gitmo were captured on the battlefield. We had over 800 prisoners at Gitmo, now we have about 180 or so. They were not all enemy combatants. Some were innocent and were turned over to the US because we were paying a bounty for Al Qaeda or Taliban fighters. Want to make a quick buck, turn in that neighbor you never liked.
     

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