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The Ryan Tax Brackets

Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by Bluedog, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. DefeatObama

    DefeatObama Council Member

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    k... I'll ask you since I can't get an answer out of any of the other moonbats.... (oh sorry, in your case, 'moderate')

    the top 10% currently pay 70% of the federal income taxes.

    at what % do you consider them having satisfied (the commie-lib's delusional) definition of 'fair'.

    and none of the typical plastic banana dope smokin hippie jive. give me a number
     
  2. DefeatObama

    DefeatObama Council Member

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    you haven't been here long enough Blue.... just wait....
     
  3. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    1. I have posted my opininions on taxes and spending several times before and in forums where you were active. Have you already forgotten?

    2. Compare the income of the top 10% to the bottom 50%. Still think 70% of the taxes is unfair? Really? The increase in taxes on someone making $300,000 would amount to a good bottle of wine per week. Increasing taxes on someone making $25k by the suggested 10% would amount to making them choose which meal to skip each day.

    http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-individual-income-tax-data-0#table1

    3. I believe both spending cuts and tax increases are needed. I have had several years in which I paid about $100k in total taxes (fed,state,local,real estate)....I'm certainly paying less, I'm making a lot less, but I'm in favor of a return to the tax rates of 2000.

    We are in a major recession. Government spending is far too high, but should be cut only gradually and as the economy recovers. Putting a million federal and state workers out on the street isn't a way to stimulate the economy.
     
  4. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    You notice how BlueDog does not call people names right?
     
  5. OldGaffer

    OldGaffer Governor

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    Nice to talk to someone who is not an [Unwelcome language removed], isnt it.
     
  6. DefeatObama

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    nah.. the private sector's doing fine. the Amateur says so
     
  7. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    Yup a gaffe... so what?
     
  8. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    That isn't what Obama said....

    I don't expect you to remember everything I wrote. You don't remember things you wrote.
     
  9. DefeatObama

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    another chicken shite lefty.

    they never give a number.

    confirming that they're anti-intellectual humps driven by an envy based idealogy because their lives suck.

    so i pity them.....
     
  10. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Useless excercise. You tell me. What is fair? Everybody chip in $50 a week? You're just a dipshit republican and engage in meaningless crap. The point isn't to come up with some number that you can argue the fairness of. The point is to balance the budget gradually, without putting a lot of people out of work nor running up significant additional debt.

    I'm not running for president. See if you can get Mittless to commit to anything. Anything at all.
     
  11. DefeatObama

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    fair is flat.

    commie-libs use the tax code as a means of control... 'fair' is what they say it is. meaning contrary to our founding principles. which of course the statists have no problem with because the state can't be too big or too powerful/intrusive.


    you think that the state can manage it better than you can. a flaw as far as I'm concerned... all anyone wants is a chance to follow their dreams and a level playing field. so we have the first and statists have seen to doing their damndest to eliminate the second. with your blessing.

    but those with balls persevere. others enter the teaching profession
     
  12. Sgt Staples

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    No, Police states transfer wealth. Our constitution protects private property The 5th Amendment protects private property from usurpation without just compensation.

    >>>>nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.<<<

    The rest of your post is misleading at best; a lie at worst. You completely neglect to mention the historical length of time and rate of recovery of from recessions. If you looked at historical data, the rate of recovery was greater and length of recovery was shorter, the more severe the recession, except in two instances.

    Those two instances were under the Socialist FDR and now Under the Marxist Obama.

    This country is failing because of the same socialist policies that are being forced on it that are causing Europe's failure.

    Don't you think it's past time you admitted your ideology of big government control and massive regulation and high taxation is a historical failure.

    The misery stops in 2013 when Obama is gone. Then we can finally state that our long national nightmare is over and that we are, as a great American once said, finally "free at last, free at last, hallelujah we're free at last."
     
  13. Woolleybugger

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    You would not have liked living through the recessions and depressions of the late 1800's. Your post is really quite hilarious.
     
  14. degsme

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    That has nothing to do with whther ALL society's transfer wealth. the USA transfers wealth by

    • Defining wealth as that which can be bought and sold (we don't count how many friends you have as "wealth" - other societies do)
    • Passing laws that define what is and is not "prvate property"
    • Passing laws on how such propety is distributed

    That is defiing and redistributing wealth. Even the most significant of the Founding farthers Ben Franklin recognized this.

    HUH? This does not even make sense as english, much less connected to fact. Up through 1890, the USA on average had a "financial Panic" every four years. And on average it took TWO YEARS to recover.

    From 1893 onwards we began to engage in deficit based stimulus spending in recessions/panics. And in doing so reduced the frequency of downturns to EVERY NINE YEARS (2.25 times longer than prior to that change) and dropped the average duration of recovery to 3 months (EIGHT TIMES shorter).

    This is just the historical record.

    You do realize that except for Obamas 14mo long "stimulus" we are operating under CONSERVATIVE GOP FISCAL Policy right?

    • Same tax rates as the GOP COnservatives passed in 2002 that gave us 6 years of 22% below average GDP growth
    • Same goverment spending policies that the GOP Conservatives passed 2002 with the exception of spending on extended unemployment
    • Same pentagon budget for the same two wars.
    • Same Homeland Security
    The GOP Minority Veto in the Senate http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm is part of the factual record

    And again, where is either Europe or the USA nationalizing any production? Because that's the definition of socialism. So either you don't know what socialism is - and are making sh!t up.
    OR
    you are just name calling like McCarthy.

    Secondly, Europe is not "failing", any more than the USA was "failing" in 1787.
     
  15. DefeatObama

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    the drones continue to cite all the societies that got it right. ya know, were successful.... the ones with larger GDP's (half ours?), more powerful militaries and higher immigration rates.....

    morons
     
  16. DefeatObama

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  17. middleview

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    fascist republicans use the tax code to benefit their donors. Hugely profitable corporations pay no taxes and the repubs whine about the need to cut their taxes.

    You think flat is fair. So you'd raise taxes on people who are working a couple of minimum wage jobs because you think it is "fair" for them to have even less disposable income to benefit people so rich that they spend millions on a freakin clock (Jeff Bezos and his underground millenium clock).

    As far as what I think....you don't know. So why is that you pretend you do.
     
  18. Sgt Staples

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    You are really getting ridiculous. A person engaging in a voluntary transaction with another person where something of value is traded for something else of value, is not 'wealth redistribution.' it is called free market economics.

    Any law that usurps your labor by usurping the fruits of your labor, for the sole purpose of redistributing the fruits of your labor to another person, whether it be in the form of health care or food stamps, is wealth redistribution.

    That's why, when our government was founded, it was financed solely by a tax on Commerce. The tax on income was instituted under Woodrow Wilson another Marxist, almost as bad as Obama, and it's economic havoc ever since.

    The only entity that can force you to transfer wealth involuntarily is the government.

    More Marxism ideology, which you apparently are an expert on.
    Really? The 850 billion dollar stimulus package was not a one time spending increase. It raised the base line spending of the Federal government and has forever been enshrined in each year's federal spending. That's exactly why the Democrat Senate won't pass a budget; they want to keep hiding this dirty little secret. How the hell do you think Obama's government spending resulted in such a massive increase in debt and deficit and increased annual spending by over a trillion dollars a year?


    More BS.

    GDP growth depends on a hell of a lot more than simply tax rates. You would have to be a complete ignoramus to believe higher tax rates promote higher GDP growth because: 1) you would have to believe that the government is more capable of spending an individual's money BETTER than the individual himself is; and 2) the government is more capable of deciding what actions an individual should engage in better than the individual is.

    If that is how dumbed down liberals are, then there really is no hope for them.

    There are different forms of socialism, in Europe, and in what Obama is trying to inflict on us, rather than own the means of production, they simply confiscate the fruits of that production by taxation.

    Tail gunner Joe McCarthy was about 75% right and 25% wrong.
    Especially after he started hitting the bottle.

    Read Whittaker Chamber autobiography "Witness" and you will get a real good insight into the Communist Party USA. They have a long and storied history of alliance with labor unions and the Democrat Party by the way. Obama's mother was one, his father was a Marxist, and after his father left to try to inflict Marxism in Kenya, he was indoctrinated by Frank Marshall Davis for most of his younger days.

    So, the fact that he's turning this country into a 3rd world Marxist Pigsty should not be surprising to anyone.

    I don't even want to think about what this country will look like if he were to get another 4 years.

    Electricity shortages, a Greece like debt situation, increasing poverty, food shortages. homelessness. That's the historical end to what he's inflicting on us.

    And I'm gonna work very hard to make sure that doesn't happen.
     
  19. Woolleybugger

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    All money is a form of government debt. The debt it incurs is one placed upon the nation as a whole. Money is a tool used to facilitate transactions with a common exchange medium that is protected by the state itself and its institutions. Any transaction between any two entities that relies upon money as the medium of exchange is by definition an exchange protected by the government. There is no free market capitalism that operates outside of the scope and power of the government. This is one of the reasons why most of us declare free market capitalism junkies like yourself to be missing the point entirely. The government is an extension of the will of the people. The will of the people has increased the scope and reach of the government far beyond anything the founders intended or imagined. Why? Because the world is far more complex than they imagined and the problems faced by successive generations needed fixing. The will of the people gave the power to fix these problems to your state, local and federal governments. That costs money, period. If you don't want to pay for the government or think it is doing things you do not like, use your vote to change the government. In the meantime, pay up.
     
  20. gabriel

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    well said mr bugger!!
     

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