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Lukey

Senator
“I am just as opposed as Mr. Nixon to unbalanced budgets and centralized government. I do not believe that Washington should do for the people what they can do for themselves through local and private effort. There is no magic attached to tax dollars that have been to Washington and back. No expert in the nation's capital knows as much about your local problems and how to meet them as you do. Big government is just as much a threat to our liberties as too little government.”—John F. Kennedy, Campaign speech, October 1960

"We must answer here three fundamental questions: First, how do we make the American dream of opportunity for all a reality for all Americans who are willing to work for it? Second, how do we preserve our old and enduring values as we move into the future? And third, how do we meet these challenges together, as one America?

We know big Government does not have all the answers. We know there's not a program for every problem. We know, and we have worked to give the American people a smaller, less bureaucratic Government in Washington. And we have to give the American people one that lives within its means. The era of big Government is over."
—William J. Clinton, State of the Union Address, January 1996

"Now, let me say this. It’s fashionable among some pundits -- and this happens every time America hits a rough patch -- it’s fashionable to be saying, well, this time it’s different, this time we really are in the soup; it’s going to be hard to solve our problems. Let me tell you something. What’s missing is not big ideas. What’s missing is not that we’ve got an absence of technical solutions to deal with issues like education or energy or our deficit. The problem we’ve got right now is we’ve just got a stalemate in Washington.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
—Barack H. Obama, Campaign Speech, July 2012

So there you have it. The two modern era Democratic Presidents with the best economic records did not push big government as the solution to all our problems, but rather extolled the benefits of a strong private economy. The current Democratic President feels the opposite, that DC pols and bureaucrats have all the solutions and central planning is essential to economic opportunity. And we have suffered the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. Coincidence? I think not...
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
we all know why we lost all those jobs in 2007-09.
our recovery following the Great Republican recession has been much better than the rest of the world thanks to our Democratic president.
 

fairsheet

Senator
“I am just as opposed as Mr. Nixon to unbalanced budgets and centralized government. I do not believe that Washington should do for the people what they can do for themselves through local and private effort. There is no magic attached to tax dollars that have been to Washington and back. No expert in the nation's capital knows as much about your local problems and how to meet them as you do. Big government is just as much a threat to our liberties as too little government.”—John F. Kennedy, Campaign speech, October 1960

"We must answer here three fundamental questions: First, how do we make the American dream of opportunity for all a reality for all Americans who are willing to work for it? Second, how do we preserve our old and enduring values as we move into the future? And third, how do we meet these challenges together, as one America?

We know big Government does not have all the answers. We know there's not a program for every problem. We know, and we have worked to give the American people a smaller, less bureaucratic Government in Washington. And we have to give the American people one that lives within its means. The era of big Government is over."
—William J. Clinton, State of the Union Address, January 1996

"Now, let me say this. It’s fashionable among some pundits -- and this happens every time America hits a rough patch -- it’s fashionable to be saying, well, this time it’s different, this time we really are in the soup; it’s going to be hard to solve our problems. Let me tell you something. What’s missing is not big ideas. What’s missing is not that we’ve got an absence of technical solutions to deal with issues like education or energy or our deficit. The problem we’ve got right now is we’ve just got a stalemate in Washington.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
—Barack H. Obama, Campaign Speech, July 2012

So there you have it. The two modern era Democratic Presidents with the best economic records did not push big government as the solution to all our problems, but rather extolled the benefits of a strong private economy. The current Democratic President feels the opposite, that DC pols and bureaucrats have all the solutions and central planning is essential to economic opportunity. And we have suffered the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. Coincidence? I think not...
President Obama has "grown" guvmint at a slower rate than any president (including Clinton) since post-WWII Eisenhower. This entire top-post is absolutely pathetic. If someone wants to make the case that Obama's slow guvmint growth has harmed the economy, have at it. But, founding all this crap on a demonstrably false premise, is punk.
 

Lukey

Senator
President Obama has "grown" guvmint at a slower rate than any president (including Clinton) since post-WWII Eisenhower. This entire top-post is absolutely pathetic. If someone wants to make the case that Obama's slow guvmint growth has harmed the economy, have at it. But, founding all this crap on a demonstrably false premise, is punk.
And your premise is false in that Obama added $800 billion in "stimulus" to the last Bush budget and then the Dems in the Senate have refused ever since to pass a budget so they could continue to spend at that level through the use of continuing resolutions. So his sycophants can make the claim that he hasn't grown government, when in fact he has.
 

fairsheet

Senator
And your premise is false in that Obama added $800 billion in "stimulus" to the last Bush budget and then the Dems in the Senate have refused ever since to pass a budget so they could continue to spend at that level through the use of continuing resolutions. So his sycophants can make the claim that he hasn't grown government, when in fact he has.

Your rote-red blah-blah-blah is noted. You were probably good at memorizing poems back in your elementary school days. Alas, this whole question is arithmetic. Either Obama did grow guvmint inordinately or he didn't. The math says he didn't.
 

Lukey

Senator
Your rote-red blah-blah-blah is noted. You were probably good at memorizing poems back in your elementary school days. Alas, this whole question is arithmetic. Either Obama did grow guvmint inordinately or he didn't. The math says he didn't.
Only if you pretend he didn't add $800 billion to "Bush's" 2009 budget and that Congress hasn't maintained spending at that elevated level. If you can "do the math" then you know your contention that Obama didn't grow government is hogwash.

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/ObamaVsBush43SpendingComparison2006to2013.png

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/obama-2015-budget-growth.jpg

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Federal-Outpays-Per-Capita-For-Web.jpg
 

fairsheet

Senator
Only if you pretend he didn't add $800 billion to "Bush's" 2009 budget and that Congress hasn't maintained spending at that elevated level. If you can "do the math" then you know your contention that Obama didn't grow government is hogwash.

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/ObamaVsBush43SpendingComparison2006to2013.png

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/obama-2015-budget-growth.jpg

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Federal-Outpays-Per-Capita-For-Web.jpg
Not a one of your cites is an unbiased and objective one. Imagine that. This begs the question of whether or not you realize how that matters?
 

fairsheet

Senator
Only if you pretend he didn't add $800 billion to "Bush's" 2009 budget and that Congress hasn't maintained spending at that elevated level. If you can "do the math" then you know your contention that Obama didn't grow government is hogwash.

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/ObamaVsBush43SpendingComparison2006to2013.png

http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/obama-2015-budget-growth.jpg

http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Federal-Outpays-Per-Capita-For-Web.jpg

For what it's worth, this very simple charting puts the lie to your entire spew. If there's anything the least bit ambiguous here, it might be fiscal year 2009. To whom do we assign this number? Some - like you - gleefully assign any numbers to the bad, to Pres. Obama. Frankly though, even if we were to concede you your Foxfartion silliness, it wouldn't change the fact that Obama has grown guvmint at a low historically proximate rate.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
 

Lukey

Senator
Not a one of your cites is an unbiased and objective one. Imagine that. This begs the question of whether or not you realize how that matters?
The data isn't "unbiased."

There was an 18% increase in spending in 2009:

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/12/sustainable-economics-manifesto.html

$800 billion of that was the Obama "stimulus." It never went away (at least until it was partially removed via the "sequester" - which by the way was supposed to usher in an economic disaster that never occurred).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4Wo7RpvnQ7c/VGJ39q5LkgI/AAAAAAAAS3Y/LnQVnTxM5V0/s1600/federal-spending-2014.jpg

Do the math! This begs the question of whether or not you are interested in the facts...
 

Lukey

Senator
For what it's worth, this very simple charting puts the lie to your entire spew. If there's anything the least bit ambiguous here, it might be fiscal year 2009. To whom do we assign this number? Some - like you - gleefully assign any numbers to the bad, to Pres. Obama. Frankly though, even if we were to concede you your Foxfartion silliness, it wouldn't change the fact that Obama has grown guvmint at a low historically proximate rate.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
Only if you credit the $800 billion he added to Bush's 2009 budget (and continued to be spent every subsequent year in Obama's "budgets") to Bush! No lie in that, eh? Sheesh!
 

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
“I am just as opposed as Mr. Nixon to unbalanced budgets and centralized government. I do not believe that Washington should do for the people what they can do for themselves through local and private effort. There is no magic attached to tax dollars that have been to Washington and back. No expert in the nation's capital knows as much about your local problems and how to meet them as you do. Big government is just as much a threat to our liberties as too little government.”—John F. Kennedy, Campaign speech, October 1960

"We must answer here three fundamental questions: First, how do we make the American dream of opportunity for all a reality for all Americans who are willing to work for it? Second, how do we preserve our old and enduring values as we move into the future? And third, how do we meet these challenges together, as one America?

We know big Government does not have all the answers. We know there's not a program for every problem. We know, and we have worked to give the American people a smaller, less bureaucratic Government in Washington. And we have to give the American people one that lives within its means. The era of big Government is over."
—William J. Clinton, State of the Union Address, January 1996

"Now, let me say this. It’s fashionable among some pundits -- and this happens every time America hits a rough patch -- it’s fashionable to be saying, well, this time it’s different, this time we really are in the soup; it’s going to be hard to solve our problems. Let me tell you something. What’s missing is not big ideas. What’s missing is not that we’ve got an absence of technical solutions to deal with issues like education or energy or our deficit. The problem we’ve got right now is we’ve just got a stalemate in Washington.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”
—Barack H. Obama, Campaign Speech, July 2012

So there you have it. The two modern era Democratic Presidents with the best economic records did not push big government as the solution to all our problems, but rather extolled the benefits of a strong private economy. The current Democratic President feels the opposite, that DC pols and bureaucrats have all the solutions and central planning is essential to economic opportunity. And we have suffered the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. Coincidence? I think not...
if somehow one could remove the names/party aff. of the 3 speakers so you would not know anything about any of them,,,
then read them,,,the differences are striking!

the first 2 were speeches were straightforward, precise,and to the point confirming how important and necessary local/states are to their own residents as opposed to central govt. mandate...freedom, choice, inspiration...

the 3 rd speech started off making excuses and pointing fingers at others..then a long intricate "bitch slap" at successful entrepreneurs for a reason only known to the speaker..the entire speech was a deflection, and condemnation of others...it was condescending and insulting..

the 3 speeches "speak" for themselves...
 
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