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The Wall Is A Political Problem and it Requires A Political Solution

EatTheRich

President
It is rather quaint that you think you will be believed when you object to the wall on fiscal grounds. But after trillions in wasteful democratic agenda spending on "sustainable" energy, subsidized transportation schemes and "economic development" in third world shit holes, no one believe for an instant that your fiscal probity leads you to oppose Trump's efforts to build a wall. It is only and always because the wall will actually largely end illegal immigration that you people are against it - it's as plain as the nose on your face. Open borders and unchecked immigration is a key ingredient to achieving the Marxist/socialist future that is the left's "vanity" project...
There’s nothing wasteful about an investment that repairs a problem that would be much costlier if ignored.
 

EatTheRich

President
And there you have it, the only immigration policy the left actually supports is…none.
His proposal would reduce illegal immigration to zero. According to your logic, we can conclude that if you oppose it it’s because your agenda is unchecked illegal immigration.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
His proposal would reduce illegal immigration to zero. According to your logic, we can conclude that if you oppose it it’s because your agenda is unchecked illegal immigration.
Yes, the answer is to make all "illegal" immigration…legal. Problem solved, right? We can feed them with "the rich," am I right?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
There’s nothing wasteful about an investment that repairs a problem that would be much costlier if ignored.
Which is why, absent repeal of the left's welfare state, a wall is the least bad option for controlling immigration by tens of millions of third world peasants...
 

reason10

Governor
Democrats won't get re-elected if they vote for a wall, Republicans can't get re-elected if they vote against a wall. So you need a win-win situation where everyone gets re-elected.
The only thing that would that would get Democrats re-elected if they voted for a wall?
A Trump Resignation.
Try offering a Trump resignation letter for a wall. It might break the deadlock.
Problem is, Trump is the greatest president of all time. He has given us the greatest economy of all time. There's no logical reason for him to resign.

What has to happen is simple. He has to get that wall built, one way or another and Democrats HAVE TO LOSE. They have to be kicked out of power before they can do any more damage.

Just look what those Nazis did in New York State with that baby killing law.
 

sear

Mayor
"There’s nothing wasteful about an investment that repairs a problem that would be much costlier if ignored." ER #82
That's not necessarily true.

There may be an "investment that repairs a problem" at half the cost.
In that case, accomplishing the same thing for $twice the $price would be wasteful.

The myth is that Trump's fantasy wall would be a one time expense, permanently solving a problem.
That's pure fiction.
To function properly such infrastructure would have to be patrolled, maintained, repaired.

And there are problems Trump doesn't like to mention.
For the wall to be continuous, connected from coast to coast, reportedly a lot of private land would have to be taken over by government through a process of eminent domain.
It's a lot of land. So there'd be a lot of law suits.
That alone could take longer than Trump's administration will last.

The Wall Is A Political Problem and
it Requires A Political Solution


U.S. national security is a security issue.
The wall is a vanity issue for Trump.
And as most swindlers do, Trump has used a familiar technique: "bait & switch".

Here's the "bait":
"I will build a great, great wall on our Southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall, mark my words." Republican primary presidential candidate Donald J. Trump 15/06/16 www.DonaldJTrump.com

And here's the "switch":
$5.7 $Billion $Dollars
 

EatTheRich

President
Which is why, absent repeal of the left's welfare state, a wall is the least bad option for controlling immigration by tens of millions of third world peasants...
Nope, third world poverty is the problem that would be much costlier if ignored. A wall will not protect the U.S. from the hordes of refugees climate change will send swarming in.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Nope, third world poverty is the problem that would be much costlier if ignored. A wall will not protect the U.S. from the hordes of refugees climate change will send swarming in.
So we have no choice but to acquiesce to global communism? Alrighty then...
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
His proposal would reduce illegal immigration to zero. According to your logic, we can conclude that if you oppose it it’s because your agenda is unchecked illegal immigration.
too late for zero immigration
the country is overrun with illegals
 

sear

Mayor
The Wall Is A Political Problem and it Requires A Political Solution

The Wall is a psychological problem, an ineffective solution to a contrived emergency, a vanity issue for a spoiled rich kid who has had it all too easy all his life. *

It's not our job to play Lucy psychiatrist to Trump's Charlie Brown ego.

The Pelosi compromise of fortifying our border as necessary is $costly way to ameliorate Republican $spend $lust. But it's better than throwing $30 $Billion or more at a $million $dollar problem.

* Trump would not be president at all if not for the "perfect storm":
- Republican voters swilling their own Chicken Little flavor Kool-aid in the primary, rejecting over a dozen other Republicans, most more qualified than Trump, for a trash-talking New York shyster with no experience in government.
- Trump lost the vote, but won the presidency. And now with his presidency more than half over Trump's popularity drags along still under 50%. Has President Trump's popularity ever reached 50%?
Ever?
 

Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
1. Funny, because the introduction of Christianity and white male capitalists’ values to the Americas coincided with the bloodiest genocide in history.
I never knew the USSR & Communist China - that slaughtered 80 million of their own people were White Male Christians. Wow.
 

Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
- Trump lost the vote, but won the presidency. And now with his presidency more than half over Trump's popularity drags along still under 50%. Has President Trump's popularity ever reached 50%?
Ever?

Yes, yesterday.

By the way, is Pelosi taking down the wall on California's southern border yet ?

The barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border, some of which date back to 1994, are discontinuous. But put together, they would cover about 580 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile border that stretches from San Diego, California, to Brownsville, Texas.
 

sear

Mayor
"Yes, yesterday." NC #97
As well respected as you are madame congressman, we'll need you to quote and link at least one authoritative study. It does make some sense to take a cum average.
Donald Trump's Presidential Job Approval Ratings

Approval rating
Dates %
Latest job approval rating
37% Jan 21-27, 2019
Term average to date 39 % Jan 20, 2017-present
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
"By the way, is Pelosi taking down the wall on California's southern border yet ?" NC
Do you consider that likely?
I consider it most unlikely. Where do you get your disinformation from? FOX News?
 

EatTheRich

President
Communists don't covet nukes? That is absurd...
A nuclear weapon is a tool, it can be used to terrorize people or to deter aggression. But communism undermines the objective basis of violence which is hierarchical organization of society, while capitalism can lead to no possible future other than a more warlike one.
 

EatTheRich

President
I never knew the USSR & Communist China - that slaughtered 80 million of their own people were White Male Christians. Wow.
1. That number is absurd, unless you count every person who died of any cause.
2. Many leaders of the USSR were in fact white male Christians ... Malenkov for example.
 
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