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The Wall Is A Political Problem and it Requires A Political Solution

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
A nuclear weapon is a tool, it can be used to terrorize people or to deter aggression. But communism undermines the objective basis of violence which is hierarchical organization of society, while capitalism can lead to no possible future other than a more warlike one.
Communists are "non-violent?" I think there's about a hundred million dead people who would disagree with you (well, if the communists hadn't killed them, that is).
 

EatTheRich

President
Communists are "non-violent?" I think there's about a hundred million dead people who would disagree with you (well, if the communists hadn't killed them, that is).
I don't think I claimed that. Communists are violent the same way the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto uprising were violent. They fight back against a social system premised on violence rather than roll over and die. Interesting that you blame “the communists” for killings by the state ... an institution of class society that cannot exist without the private property system that sustains it. Your “about a hundred million” figure is absurd. And of course most of those (besides invading soldiers like those of Nazi Germany) that communists are cynically blamed for killing are communists who were killed by the organized counterrevolution which cynically posed as communist.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I don't think I claimed that. Communists are violent the same way the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto uprising were violent. They fight back against a social system premised on violence rather than roll over and die. Interesting that you blame “the communists” for killings by the state ... an institution of class society that cannot exist without the private property system that sustains it. Your “about a hundred million” figure is absurd. And of course most of those (besides invading soldiers like those of Nazi Germany) that communists are cynically blamed for killing are communists who were killed by the organized counterrevolution which cynically posed as communist.
Tell it to these folks:

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That they aren't really dead.
 

EatTheRich

President
Tell it to these folks:

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That they aren't really dead.
Well, your U.S. government-sourced propaganda is certainly definitive ... but you mind telling me how they came by those numbers?

How many of the 5 million Wehrmacht soldiers killed by the Soviet Union should have been left alive? How many of the other victims of the Soviet Union or the Chinese or Vietnamese governments were victims because they were communists resisting the pro-capitalist trajectory of the state?

How did communists manage to kill 2 million in Cambodia when they never held power there but did help drive the murderous Pol Pot regime from power? How did they kill 1.7 million in Africa when no African country has ever been socialist? How did they kill people in Afghanistan when communists opposed the invasion?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Well, your U.S. government-sourced propaganda is certainly definitive ... but you mind telling me how they came by those numbers?

How many of the 5 million Wehrmacht soldiers killed by the Soviet Union should have been left alive? How many of the other victims of the Soviet Union or the Chinese or Vietnamese governments were victims because they were communists resisting the pro-capitalist trajectory of the state?

How did communists manage to kill 2 million in Cambodia when they never held power there but did help drive the murderous Pol Pot regime from power? How did they kill 1.7 million in Africa when no African country has ever been socialist? How did they kill people in Afghanistan when communists opposed the invasion?
Well, your self-sourced propaganda is certainly definitive...
 

reason10

Governor
Democrats won't get re-elected if they vote for a wall, Republicans can't get re-elected if they vote against a wall. So you need a win-win situation where everyone gets re-elected.
The only thing that would that would get Democrats re-elected if they voted for a wall?
A Trump Resignation.
Try offering a Trump resignation letter for a wall. It might break the deadlock.
He'll resign in six years. The wall will be completed by then.
 

EatTheRich

President
I don't "take sides" in foreign disputes. Do you?
The fight between capitalists and workers is a global one, even if in the specific circumstances we were discussing Hitler’s regime was on the capitalists’ side and the Soviet Union was on the workers’.
 

reason10

Governor
The fight between capitalists and workers is a global one, even if in the specific circumstances we were discussing Hitler’s regime was on the capitalists’ side and the Soviet Union was on the workers’.
Another stupid lie.

NOTHING about Hitler's SOCIALIST regime came anywhere NEAR capitalism. Both Germany and the Soviet Union were communists who controlled industry and murdered their populations.

Just like liberals in America are doing today.
 

EatTheRich

President
Another stupid lie.

NOTHING about Hitler's SOCIALIST regime came anywhere NEAR capitalism. Both Germany and the Soviet Union were communists who controlled industry and murdered their populations.

Just like liberals in America are doing today.
The pope disagreed. He blessed Hitler’s invasion of the USSR as a defense of capitalist civilization. The industrialists and bankers disagreed. They bankrolled Hitler lavishly. Hitler disagreed. He described what he called (in translation) “free enterprise” as “the only possible” means of organizing society. The economists disagreed. They coined the term “privatization” to describe Hitler’s then-novel program of turning over state assets to private industry. The socialists disagreed. They led the resistance to Hitler while the conservatives and centrists were helping him pave his path to power.
 

reason10

Governor
The pope disagreed. He blessed Hitler’s invasion of the USSR as a defense of capitalist civilization. The industrialists and bankers disagreed. They bankrolled Hitler lavishly.

You are quoting the most socialist human being on the planet? The POPE? Seriously?

Hitler disagreed. He described what he called (in translation) “free enterprise” as “the only possible” means of organizing society. The economists disagreed. They coined the term “privatization” to describe Hitler’s then-novel program of turning over state assets to private industry. The socialists disagreed. They led the resistance to Hitler while the conservatives and centrists were helping him pave his path to power.

Bullshit all the way around. Hitler's regime is almost a carbon copy of today's AMERICAN LIBERAL DEMOCRAT vision.
 

EatTheRich

President
The pope disagreed. He blessed Hitler’s invasion of the USSR as a defense of capitalist civilization. The industrialists and bankers disagreed. They bankrolled Hitler lavishly.

You are quoting the most socialist human being on the planet? The POPE? Seriously?

Hitler disagreed. He described what he called (in translation) “free enterprise” as “the only possible” means of organizing society. The economists disagreed. They coined the term “privatization” to describe Hitler’s then-novel program of turning over state assets to private industry. The socialists disagreed. They led the resistance to Hitler while the conservatives and centrists were helping him pave his path to power.

Bullshit all the way around. Hitler's regime is almost a carbon copy of today's AMERICAN LIBERAL DEMOCRAT vision.
“The most socialist human being on the planet” is not the head of one of the wealthiest organization and one that officially brands socialism as a heresy.

In case you didn’t notice, liberal Democrats are capitalist politicians in a capitalist country. Anyway, Hitler was well to their right on social issues and far less tolerant of dissent or observant of the norms of constitutional government.
 
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