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This Just In- More News About How Guilty Trump Is Being Ignored by Trump Voters- Film at 11

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by llovejim, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    Lev Parnas, Rod Steiger look alike and Rudy Giuliani crony, is spilling the beans on just how connected Rudy and Trump and Barr and all the other Trump cronies are to bribing Ukraine to dig up shit on the Bidens for Trump's political gain. How can even Hannity or Bowtie or Nazi Ingraham deny such huge amounts of collaborating evidence from so many different sources? If this case had no political implications, and was just some ordinary businessman being on trial for bribery of a government official, with exactly the same evidence, the defendant's lawyers would be making a plea bargain so quick it would make Paul Manafort's head spin.

    Lev Parnas, a key player in President Trump’s efforts to obtain a Ukrainian investigation of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, gave a bombshell interview to MSNBC Wednesday that undercut the president’s defense just hours before the Senate was scheduled to begin his impeachment trial.

    “It was all about Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and also Rudy had a personal thing with the Manafort stuff,” Parnas said of the efforts to convince Ukraine’s government to announce an investigation of the Bidens, “but it was never about corruption, it was strictly about Burisma, which included Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.”

    Trump has sought to distance himself from Parnas and Igor Fruman, both of whom worked with Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s lawyer, on the efforts to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce an investigation of the Bidens, and on the campaign to oust U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.

    “I don’t know those gentlemen,” Trump said in October about Parnas and Fruman, despite the fact that the men had been photographed together numerous times.

    “He lied,” Parnas said, adding, “He knew exactly who we were.”

    Parnas said the president was fully aware that he was working with Giuliani to secure Zelensky’s cooperation in an effort to tarnish the reputation of Biden, the leading Democratic candidate to run against Trump this year.

    Parnas and Fruman, who has also been indicted, were given access to Ukrainian officials that Parnas, a Florida businessman with no diplomatic credentials or official post, said he would not have received otherwise.

    "Why would President Zelensky’s inner circle, or Minister Avakov, or all these people, or President Poroshenko, meet with me?” Parnas told Maddow. “Who am I? They were told to meet with me. And that’s the secret that they’re trying to keep. I was on the ground doing their work.”

    Parnas also said the Trump administration’s attempts to convince Ukraine to announce an investigation of the Bidens extended to Vice President Mike Pence.

    Pence canceled his planned attendance at Zelensky’s inauguration as a way to further pressure him, Parnas said.

    On his efforts with Giuliani to have Yovanovitch removed from office because she was not sufficiently supportive of Trump and was impeding efforts to secure the promise of an investigation into the Bidens, Parnas expressed regret.

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    Lev Parnas implicates Trump on the eve of Senate impeachment trial
    Lev Parnas, a key player in President Trump’s efforts to obtain a Ukrainian investigation of former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, gave a bombshell interview to MSNBC Wednesday that undercut the president’s defense just hours before the Senate was scheduled to begin his impeachment...
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  2. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    Oh a butthurt person fired, does an interview on a leftist network- that's evidence ? LOL!!!
    Unsupported, yet salacious claims while MSNBC blows it up as a nuclear bomb going off.
    In the end though, there will be nothing major there because if he had something major, he’d have shared it by now to save his own skin. Parnas is a desperate man and has ever reason to lie at this point.

    But the media have no standards. Maddow is "the boy who cried wolf" one time to many.


    (845923903483 character word salad to follow LOL)
     
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  3. Dino

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    And it seems to be the only ones who didn’t know the Ukrainians were being scammed throughout this process were the Ukrainians.
    Didn’t feel bribed, didn’t feel threatened. Didn’t give Trump the favor he asked for. Didn’t know funds were being withheld and did not feel compelled to do what anyone asked. They didn’t feel it and the transcript doesn’t show it.

    So what’s left?
     
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  4. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    Crying and whining from my low I.Q. base of leftists.

    Another Lucy pulling the football from Charlie Brown.

    For the 500The time in 3 years. They are too stupid to learn.
     
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    Yes I
    Suppose after all the time and money spent on nothing they need to continue to bolster their claim! Did anyone else think Pelosi was hammered yesterday when she was having her presser?
     
  6. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    Parnas was the guy talking, the guy with the physical evidence, even if MSBNC is "leftist," whatever that means, how does that affect the truth?
    do you have trouble reading the most or just understanding what you have read the most? have someone explain this portion of the article to you- (and maybe if you really want to be informed, check out a real news source that has reported the mountain of physical evidence Parnas recently turned over to the House)

    “I don’t know those gentlemen,” Trump said in October about Parnas and Fruman, despite the fact that the men had been photographed together numerous times.

    “He lied,” Parnas said, adding, “He knew exactly who we were.”

    Parnas and Fruman, who has also been indicted, were given access to Ukrainian officials that Parnas, a Florida businessman with no diplomatic credentials or official post, said he would not have received otherwise.

    "Why would President Zelensky’s inner circle, or Minister Avakov, or all these people, or President Poroshenko, meet with me?” Parnas told Maddow. “Who am I? They were told to meet with me. And that’s the secret that they’re trying to keep. I was on the ground doing their work.” (even a trump voter has to wonder the same thing- and all those pics of Parnas chumming around with trump and jared and ivanka and rudy and kevin mccarthy and pence....just a coincidence he had access to all these trump stooges and family members?)
    one time to many? did you mean too many? don't let dino see this!!!
     
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    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    Jim. It was nothingburger #893482. Delivered by a desperate Parnas.
    Everyone knows it. You can move on now.
     
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    pretty good!! almost word for word what fox has said, and just as full of bullshit!! do you even try to read a real news source occasionally to keep in touch with reality? or watch a real news show, not state tv fox? try to think- the vital military aid was authorized by Congress in February, and had to go to the Pentagon to be vetted since it was military aid...they released it after concluding Ukraine was not a risk to let any of this aid go into the wrong hands in April....In July, or thereabouts, according to Mulvaney, Trump's budget director and chief of staff, trump ordered Mulvaney to freeze the vital military aid, in order to force Ukraine to do his personal political bidding. This is on video. Along with Sondland on video stating directly it was a quid pro quo, and everyone was in the loop, from Pompeo to Pence to Bolton to Rick Perry to Rudy, especially Rudy.

    Even a trump voter has to know if the military aid is authorized by Congress and released by the Pentagon by April, if it had not been released to Ukraine BY JULY, THE TIME OF TRUMP'S PHONE CALL, UKRAINE WOULD KNOW SOMETHING WAS UP...duh. they have the internet, access to reliable news sources, ambassadors and diplomats and lobbyists here with access to trump's officials and congressional officials and pentagon officials---AND YET YOU BELIEVE THEY HAD NO IDEA THE VITAL MILITARY AID HAD BEEN FROZEN BY TRUMP? and all the testimony talking about how they made it clear to Zelensky it was so the 2016 Biden, Crowdstrike bullshit would be investigated to help Trump?

    wow...talk about being in denial.

    www.youtube.com › watch

    Mick Mulvaney admits quid pro quo with Ukraine - YouTube

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    Oct 18, 2019 - Uploaded by ABC News
    ABC News. ... The White House acting chief of staff said President Trump ordered him to withhold military aid in ...

    upload_2020-1-16_6-33-52. www.youtube.com › watch

    Sondland Admits Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine in ... - YouTube

    upload_2020-1-16_6-33-53.

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    Nov 5, 2019 - Uploaded by QuickTake by Bloomberg
    In a striking reversal, a top diplomat revised his testimony in the House impeachment inquiry to acknowledge ...
     
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  9. Dino

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    Better than “pretty good!” Damning is more like it.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...-aid-until-one-month-after-trump-call-report/

    An implied quid pro quo with no threat and never followed through on is nowhere near an executive abuse of power.
    The charge is unsubstantiated.
     
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    Ignoring the evidence turned over won't help...it isn't just his word. The pictures of Rudy, Parnas and Trump together prove Trump is lying through his dentures.
     
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    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    Keep posting those old, irrelevant videos LOL

    Ones already reviewed, debunked, and tossed on the trash heap of history.

    They are as relevant as videos from 2016 saying trump wouldn't be president. lol
     
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    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    Parnas' note about Biden and his interview make me wonder about what he told Ukrainians. You accept WH talking points without question, but nobody has offered a clear reason for the hold, Volker gave Zelensky the announcement he was to make in an interview that was canceled when the whistle blower info made the front page...and only then was the aid released.
     
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    she says as she whistles by the graveyard....
     
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    llovejim Current Champion

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    how can a video be debunked? both mulvaney and sondland seem competent enough to know what quid pro quo means, and had inside access to trump, rudy and others in the trump mob. how can what they say be debunked?
     
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    how can a video be debunked? both mulvaney and sondland seem competent enough to know what quid pro quo means, and had inside access to trump, rudy and others in the trump mob. how can what they say be debunked?
     
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    perhaps you need to learn a little bit o' law, to keep you from posting such silly bullshit-

    law. Bribery, the act of promising, giving, receiving, or agreeing to receive money or some other item of value with the corrupt aim of influencing a public official in the discharge of his official duties.
    upload_2020-1-16_7-5-10. www.britannica.com › topic › bribery

    Bribery | law | Britannica

    upload_2020-1-16_7-6-44. law.www.cornell.edu › Wex

    Bribery | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

    upload_2020-1-16_7-6-44.
    Corrupt solicitation, acceptance, or transfer of value in exchange for official action. ... Bribery constitutes a crime and both the offeror and the recipient can be ... often, the punishment for attempted bribery and completed bribery are identical.
     
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    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    And yet you don't post the follow ups which destroy your argument

    You can't because of hatred & ignorance.
     
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    Nutty Cortez Dummy (D) NY

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    Q: But, Madam Speaker, you, yourself, accused him of bribery. Why did you decide not to make bribery one of the articles of impeachment?

    Speaker Pelosi- (in incoherent gibberish). I, myself, am not a lawyer. Sometimes, I act like one. Not as often as I act as a doctor. I practice medicine on the side without benefit of diploma, too. This is a decision that was recommended by our working together with our Committee Chairs, our attorneys, and the rest.

    So the articles are what they are. They're very powerful, they're very strong and they are a continuation of a pattern of misbehavior on the part of the President.

    People are realizing, when they see what that was, they think, the public thinks, that they should be determining who the President of the United States is, not some foreign power.

    They think that no one is above the law. We think and say today that the President should be held accountable. Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress, those – that is the form it will take.

    It's no use having a discussion here. This is a discussion we will take to the Floor of the Senate.

    https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/121219-2
     
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    Nice definitions.
    The elements of a crime aren't there.
    There elements of abuse of power are not there, don't exist.
    Can't make it much clearer.
     
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