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This Just In- More News About How Guilty Trump Is Being Ignored by Trump Voters- Film at 11

llovejim

llovejim

Current Champion
Nutty Cortez said:
Q: But, Madam Speaker, you, yourself, accused him of bribery. Why did you decide not to make bribery one of the articles of impeachment?

Speaker Pelosi- (in incoherent gibberish). I, myself, am not a lawyer. Sometimes, I act like one. Not as often as I act as a doctor. I practice medicine on the side without benefit of diploma, too. This is a decision that was recommended by our working together with our Committee Chairs, our attorneys, and the rest.

So the articles are what they are. They're very powerful, they're very strong and they are a continuation of a pattern of misbehavior on the part of the President.

People are realizing, when they see what that was, they think, the public thinks, that they should be determining who the President of the United States is, not some foreign power.

They think that no one is above the law. We think and say today that the President should be held accountable. Abuse of power, obstruction of Congress, those – that is the form it will take.

It's no use having a discussion here. This is a discussion we will take to the Floor of the Senate.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/121219-2
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what does nancy pelosi have to do with this? why make it harder to remove this piece of shit than needed? why break it down to any specific charge? why not make it broader to encompass all the ways Trump is such a pig liar and needs to be removed?
 
llovejim

llovejim

Current Champion
Dino said:
Nice definitions.
The elements of a crime aren't there.
There elements of abuse of power are not there, don't exist.
Can't make it much clearer.
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the only thing that is crystal clear is how much you are in denial. fox syndrome, big time. actually believing fox instead of facts!! and not all of fox...their chief legal analyst Judge Nappy fully concurs with the democrats and in fact believed Trump should have been charged with at least 5 counts of obstruction of justice by evidence reported by Mueller.
 
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Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
llovejim said:
what does nancy pelosi have to do with this? why make it harder to remove this piece of shit than needed? why break it down to any specific charge? why not make it broader to encompass all the ways Trump is such a pig liar and needs to be removed?
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YOU did your google search on bribery, remember ? Couple posts up LOL
Specific charges have teeth. Not ambiguous BS (which is why my party of democrats has :( )
 
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Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
llovejim said:
the only thing that is crystal clear is how much you are in denial. fox syndrome, big time. actually believing fox instead of facts!! and not all of fox...their chief legal analyst Judge Nappy fully concurs with the democrats and in fact believed Trump should have been charged with at least 5 counts of obstruction of justice by evidence reported by Mueller.
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Not butthurt Judge Nap again ! LOL
 
Dino

Dino

Russian Asset
llovejim said:
the only thing that is crystal clear is how much you are in denial. fox syndrome, big time. actually believing fox instead of facts!! and not all of fox...their chief legal analyst Judge Nappy fully concurs with the democrats and in fact believed Trump should have been charged with at least 5 counts of obstruction of justice by evidence reported by Mueller.
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Well then, guess I better start getting used to President Pence.
Damn, what an oversight!
 
Dino

Dino

Russian Asset
middleview said:
GAO report says hold was illegal.
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OMB says it was not. So..... yeah.


Rachel Semmel, a spokeswoman for the Office of Management and Budget, said the administration followed proper procedures in its handling of the Ukraine aid.

“As has been well documented, we fully complied with the law and decades of precedent with respect to these funds. Congress is notified if the Administration intends to rescind, defer, reprogram, or transfer funding, but in this case none of those things occurred and the funding was obligated as planned,” she said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/congressional-watchdog-reviewing-hold-on-ukraine-aid-11573152399
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Dino said:
OMB says it was not. So..... yeah.


Rachel Semmel, a spokeswoman for the Office of Management and Budget, said the administration followed proper procedures in its handling of the Ukraine aid.

“As has been well documented, we fully complied with the law and decades of precedent with respect to these funds. Congress is notified if the Administration intends to rescind, defer, reprogram, or transfer funding, but in this case none of those things occurred and the funding was obligated as planned,” she said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/congressional-watchdog-reviewing-hold-on-ukraine-aid-11573152399
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Pretty funny...The hold was a case of deferring payments....look up the definition of defer.
 
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Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
Dino said:
OMB says it was not. So..... yeah.


Rachel Semmel, a spokeswoman for the Office of Management and Budget, said the administration followed proper procedures in its handling of the Ukraine aid.

“As has been well documented, we fully complied with the law and decades of precedent with respect to these funds. Congress is notified if the Administration intends to rescind, defer, reprogram, or transfer funding, but in this case none of those things occurred and the funding was obligated as planned,” she said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/congressional-watchdog-reviewing-hold-on-ukraine-aid-11573152399
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The Ukrainian aid was held up SO much- it was delivered BEFORE the desired deadline LOL
 
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Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
Nancy needs to start over and develop a new set of articles. The current ones are the ones being considered. Not some midnight late breaking unsubstantiated claim by a wronged partisan.

This is just sooooo Kavenaugh
 
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Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
llovejim said:
Lev Parnas,
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And here are his lies exposed.

Parnas claimed that the president threatened to withhold all aid from Ukraine if it did not publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens, and he delivered that "very harsh message" to Ukrainian officials on behalf of Giuliani and Trump.

******* We know that is not true because every single Ukrainian official, even those that would benefit from nailing Trump here, have said that didn’t happen. All the witnesses trotted out by Adam Schiff, who were hostile to the President, said that didn’t happen. The Ukrainian president himself says that didn’t happen. For his part, Parnas provided no evidence of the claim.**********

Parnas also directly connected Trump to the Ukraine pressure campaign to investigate the Bidens, saying the president "knew exactly what was going on."


********* It’s possible Giuliani contacted Barr about his “theories” involving Ukraine. So what? Barr obviously didn’t act on them and we know the DOJ dismissed them. Trying to connect Barr here is just playing into the Democrat pipe dream that they can nail the Attorney General in this and it’s completely transparent what Parnas is trying to do.

Parnas’ “direct connection” to Trump isn’t actually a direct connection at all. It’s a guy under indictment trying to get a cooperation deal making a baseless accusation. Like his previous claims, Parnas provides no evidence to back up what he’s saying.*********




Parnas: it was never about corruption," Parnas said. "It was never – it was strictly about Burisma, which included Hunter Biden and Joe Biden."


************ In regards to VP Pence, we know that’s not true because Jennifer Williams, who was an Adam Schiff witness and who trashed Trump’s Ukraine machinations, said it wasn’t true. It would make no sense for her to lie about Pence while simultaneously being a witness against Trump. Further, we also know that Zelensky never “refused” to announce an investigation into the Bidens at that time. In fact, the accusation to this point by Democrats has been that Sondland had successfully gotten a commitment from Zelensky. So which is it?*********


Parnas is a conman. He’s going to jail because he’s a conman and it hasn’t nothing to do with Trump. Bad on Giuliani for ever getting involved with such a character, but that doesn’t mean his crazy spin should now be taken as truth. Parnas was pushing his own interests, not taking orders, and there’s plenty of evidence to support that. Meanwhile, he provides no real evidence to connect any of this to Trump, Pence, or Barr. Parnas was a ringleader now trying to pretend he was just a foot soldier.
 
NinaS

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Dino said:
And it seems to be the only ones who didn’t know the Ukrainians were being scammed throughout this process were the Ukrainians.
Didn’t feel bribed, didn’t feel threatened. Didn’t give Trump the favor he asked for. Didn’t know funds were being withheld and did not feel compelled to do what anyone asked. They didn’t feel it and the transcript doesn’t show it.

So what’s left?
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OMG...So Zelensky "claims" that he wasn't being coerced into outing the Bidens. Give me a break. You do fall for the damnest things. Zelensky knows that Trump has him by the gonads....if he spills the beans, Trump will AGAIN cut off funds that they need to fight off Trump's co-hort Vladimir Putin.
 
Dino

Dino

Russian Asset
NinaS said:
OMG...So Zelensky "claims" that he wasn't being coerced into outing the Bidens. Give me a break. You do fall for the damnest things. Zelensky knows that Trump has him by the gonads....if he spills the beans, Trump will AGAIN cut off funds that they need to fight off Trump's co-hort Vladimir Putin.
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Obama stiffed Ukraine, why can’t Trump?
There’s no beans to spill. He wasn’t extorted or coerced and did nothing that was implied he had to before the funds were released by State.
Your “crime” is missing crucial elements, like motive, evidence, and a victim.
 
NinaS

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Dino said:
Obama stiffed Ukraine, why can’t Trump?
There’s no beans to spill. He wasn’t extorted or coerced and did nothing that was implied he had to before the funds were released by State.
Your “crime” is missing crucial elements, like motive, evidence, and a victim.
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His MOTIVE was obviously to get goods on Biden. You know that. You tend to ignore it. But continue to lie to yourself. Who give a flying F??
 
Dino

Dino

Russian Asset
NinaS said:
His MOTIVE was obviously to get goods on Biden. You know that. You tend to ignore it. But continue to lie to yourself. Who give a flying F??
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Not necessarily true. Ukraine has a large corruption problem, Hunter Bidens job just the tip of the iceberg. There was also political scandal involving monkeying around in our elections that Trump wanted handled. He wanted assurances there would be investigation into such scandal.
Your assumption is merely ASSumption.
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Dino said:
Not necessarily true. Ukraine has a large corruption problem, Hunter Bidens job just the tip of the iceberg. There was also political scandal involving monkeying around in our elections that Trump wanted handled. He wanted assurances there would be investigation into such scandal.
Your assumption is merely ASSumption.
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Trump did not mention corruption in the call. Biden and Burisma....
 
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