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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Dawg, May 19, 2019.

  1. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    hilarious....so she has an assault weapon in her arms...big freaking deal...somebody walking by her could sucker punch her and take that weapon and shove it up her ass before she could have any thoughts or prayers. she looks like a freaking moron....
     
  2. Max R.

    Max R. On the road Supporting Member

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    Just like they could do to a cop. What's your point?...aside from conflating nukes and personal weapons I mean.....or seeking to disarm private citizens for their own good?
     
  3. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    no shit!! but what are you bunch of untrained loons going to do to lower the crime rate by carrying a gun in public? drop them at burger king and wound some kid flipping burgers? most guns are not used to do good things...period. even if the intent is good, when people are shooting in a crowded place, the bystanders are about as likely to get hit as the bad guys. well-trained cops in shootouts have incredibly low accuracy rates- something like 1 out of 10. imagine a trump voter trying to shoot somebody while in a panic mode!! if he didn't shoot himself first he would probably take out 10 innocent bystanders when he whipped out his assault weapon and shot his 30 round clip in about 20 seconds. you guys are so ridiculous. all the stats, all the facts, and you still cling to your precious guns as if that is the answer to everything.... have a gun...keep it in your house. hunt with it. protect your house like John Wayne in a coonskin cap at the Alamo..just don't bring it with you out in public like a dumbass.
     
  4. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    Another factually challenged claim, Jimbo. Actually, a tiny fraction of a percent of guns are ever used in a crime. That while millions are used for self defense every day. It sounded good though, even if you were wrong


    Well, the scenario you're referring to is where someone opens fire in a crowded area and is shooting people intentionally one after the other. So seriously, you think it's better to let them keep doing that because there might be an accidental shooting trying to stop someone who's shooting as many people as he can? LOL, what a load.

    And just that someone is shooting at him will slow him down


    Just can't get past your political bigotry, can you Jim? All roads lead to Rome
     
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  5. OldTrapper

    OldTrapper Council Member

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    And truth is even harder to find. Did you know that States with no death penalty have lower homicide rates?

    https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterr...alty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

    States with easy to obtain CCW have higher homicide rates:

    https://www.ricagv.org/concealed-carry/higher-murder-rates-states-easy-concealed-carry-laws/
     
  6. Fins

    Fins Fray Terror

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    Wow, you’ve turned into a babbling puddle of goo. Slow down Jimmy and try to make sense this time.
     
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  7. Fins

    Fins Fray Terror

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    At the time the constitution was written, the armed populace was the militia, Stupid. Do some research
     
  8. Fins

    Fins Fray Terror

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    I’m not a huge fan of open carry. Open carry makes ignorant people nervous. Concealed carry makes much better sense.
     
  9. OldTrapper

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    It was the country, not the government, they wished to protect. There is nothing in the Bill of Rights about a "standing army", or the government owning guns. It is all about the citizen being the government.

    Considering the condition of the world today it may be right to have a permanent standing Army. But then what becomes of the necessity for a Militia? And with that the right to own guns?
     
  10. OldTrapper

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    Yeah. It is always better to not know who has a gun, and can kill you.
     
  11. Dawg

    Dawg President Supporting Member

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    I consider everyone is carrying...……..see how easy that is.
     
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  12. Dawg

    Dawg President Supporting Member

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  13. Fins

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    Do the smart thing and assume everyone is a threat. Makes more sense than walking around paranoid every time you see a law abiding citizen exercising their rights.
     
  14. kaz

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    No, but I'm not surprised. Random and arbitrary implementation of the death penalty isn't a deterrent. One of the reasons I oppose the death penalty. The only way it's a deterrent is if it's widely used and swiftly implemented. That isn't going to happen, the public is split on it. It's far better to not have it at all than use it the way we do now. It just burns taxpayer money
     
  15. OldTrapper

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    "Do the smart thing and assume everyone is a threat." In other words be scared all the time.
     
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  16. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    Right, which is why the right of citizens to own guns was protected in the Bill of Rights. You sure didn't say that the first time
     
  17. OldTrapper

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    Being paranoid all the time is unhealthy both mentally, and physically. It is a symptom of PTSD.
     
  18. freyasman

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    Of course they do.
     
  19. freyasman

    freyasman Senator

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    That's a lot of sniveling bullshit in one post, right there.
     
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  20. OldTrapper

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    I have never said otherwise. Being a gun owner all my life I do appreciate them. But to say that right has no limitations is also wrong. And to say it is the Second that gives you that right is also wrong. If you rely on the government, or the Constitution, to preserve that right you will lose. To that end each State had a clause similar to this in its Constitution:

    Chapter 1. Section XVIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of the themselves and the State; and as standing armies, in the time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.[9]
    Massachusetts, June 15, 1780

    Then we have the Constitution itself. In article 1, section 8, we read:

    "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;"

    Notice 2 things.

    1. ONLY the Congress has the power to declare war. And even then it was for the "calling forth the MILITIA, not a permanent military force.

    2. Then we see that the funding for such an endeavor must be done every two years. Again, no mention of a permanent standing Military.

    Rather then rely on the Constitution for ones right to own a weapon for self defense, I would argue that it is a God given Natural Right, and cannot be taken away.
     
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