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Trump admits he welcomed Russia's help to win in 2016

Constitutional Sheepdog

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There you go Julie
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

When the annals of mistakes and abuses in the FBI’s Russia investigation are finally written, Bruce Ohr almost certainly will be the No. 1 witness, according to my sources.

The then-senior Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
QUOTE="Dino, post: 2450444, member: 8197"]This is about as far from an “individual” effort as possible. I’ll have NBC news explain it to you as to how Steele was brought into this.
Steele got his information from foreign agents; regardless if they served faithfully under Putin or not is immaterial. (no, it is not. that is incredibly wrong...when the nazis occupied france, the official "leader" of Vichy France was the French collaborator Marshall Petaine. the leader in exile was De Gaulle. if an American got information from De Gaulle and his agents, it would not be wrong, no matter how he used it. If he got information from anyone connected to the goddamn traitor Petain who collaborated with the Nazis, it would be wrong. This is so simple even a trump voter can understand. try to think- Steele was not working FOR any government...period. He did use info he obtained from Russian insiders who would have been killed for even talking to any foreigner who was using their info to tell the truth about ties between Putin and Trump and his cohorts because Putin wanted Trump to win- NOT HILLARY...WE KNOW THIS. PUTIN ADMITTED IT. the actions of his military-intelligence hackers and agents proved it. our CIA-FBI confirmed it. Anyone who got information that did not hurt Hillary and hurt Trump was not acting as an agent of Russia...good god. try to [Unwelcome language removed] think. he also sent a copy to Senator John McCain, a republican, a patriot, a war hero, who then turned it over to the FBI!!! how can even trump voters keep equating this to working with Putin and his agents?)
You can’t possibly claim the Democrats handled this opposition research any more legally or ethically than anything Trump’s campaign did. It’s totally dishonest. (you are the one being afraid to face obvious facts in your zeal to defend traitor trump and spew bullshit about democrats... and too gutless to admit it)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/conservative-site-first-hired-firm-later-linked-steele-dossier-n815256

Fusion GPS was later hired by an attorney representing the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, it was revealed this week. Fusion GPS formally hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele after it was hired by the law firm working with the DNC and Clinton campaign, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The dossier that ended up being produced alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, and contained salacious and unverified claims (source needed, who said there were any salacious, unverified claims, and if there were, who says the judge who authorized the FISA warrant against Carter Page used them as part of his reason to authorize the warrant against this Russian stooge who had also been the target of another FISA warrant in 2014, before TRUMP EVEN STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN?)

Trump has repeatedly denied collusion with his campaign and Russia, and has denied claims made in the dossier. (how does trump even know what is in the dossier? he now says he sees nothing wrong with taking information and aid from Russia or North Korea or China and the FBI should not be contacted...why do you think he was against it before he was president?)[/QUOTE]
 
…..and will do so again in 2020.

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/12/russia-if-youre-listening-open-thread/

When Stephanopoulos told Trump the FBI’s director said the bureau ought to be called if a foreign government offers a candidate information, the president responded, “The FBI director is wrong.”

Trump also said a foreign government offering damaging information isn’t interference: “It’s not interference, it’s information,”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/12/18663543/trump-interview-george-stephanopoulos-abc-news-russia?fbclid=IwAR3oN-LNLVNHs1b6HlP03rfCpfMP6ouwJ5ev-p2C-0OxKgWpYiTP9edfWbg

Let's call it treason, the modern definition. Undermining America's intel institutions in favor of foreign govts.

Oh brother!
 

Colorforms

Senator
QUOTE="Dino, post: 2450444, member: 8197"]This is about as far from an “individual” effort as possible. I’ll have NBC news explain it to you as to how Steele was brought into this.
Steele got his information from foreign agents; regardless if they served faithfully under Putin or not is immaterial. (no, it is not. that is incredibly wrong...when the nazis occupied france, the official "leader" of Vichy France was the French collaborator Marshall Petaine. the leader in exile was De Gaulle. if an American got information from De Gaulle and his agents, it would not be wrong, no matter how he used it. If he got information from anyone connected to the goddamn traitor Petain who collaborated with the Nazis, it would be wrong. This is so simple even a trump voter can understand. try to think- Steele was not working FOR any government...period. He did use info he obtained from Russian insiders who would have been killed for even talking to any foreigner who was using their info to tell the truth about ties between Putin and Trump and his cohorts because Putin wanted Trump to win- NOT HILLARY...WE KNOW THIS. PUTIN ADMITTED IT. the actions of his military-intelligence hackers and agents proved it. our CIA-FBI confirmed it. Anyone who got information that did not hurt Hillary and hurt Trump was not acting as an agent of Russia...good god. try to [Unwelcome language removed] think. he also sent a copy to Senator John McCain, a republican, a patriot, a war hero, who then turned it over to the FBI!!! how can even trump voters keep equating this to working with Putin and his agents?)
You can’t possibly claim the Democrats handled this opposition research any more legally or ethically than anything Trump’s campaign did. It’s totally dishonest. (you are the one being afraid to face obvious facts in your zeal to defend traitor trump and spew bullshit about democrats... and too gutless to admit it)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/conservative-site-first-hired-firm-later-linked-steele-dossier-n815256

Fusion GPS was later hired by an attorney representing the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, it was revealed this week. Fusion GPS formally hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele after it was hired by the law firm working with the DNC and Clinton campaign, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.

The dossier that ended up being produced alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, and contained salacious and unverified claims (source needed, who said there were any salacious, unverified claims, and if there were, who says the judge who authorized the FISA warrant against Carter Page used them as part of his reason to authorize the warrant against this Russian stooge who had also been the target of another FISA warrant in 2014, before TRUMP EVEN STARTED HIS CAMPAIGN?)

Trump has repeatedly denied collusion with his campaign and Russia, and has denied claims made in the dossier. (how does trump even know what is in the dossier? he now says he sees nothing wrong with taking information and aid from Russia or North Korea or China and the FBI should not be contacted...why do you think he was against it before he was president?)
Actually, Trump said that if a foreign source came to him and said that they had dirt on his opponent, he would listen.

He didn't say anything about accepting foreign aid.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
There you go Julie
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

When the annals of mistakes and abuses in the FBI’s Russia investigation are finally written, Bruce Ohr almost certainly will be the No. 1 witness, according to my sources.

The then-senior Department of Justice (DOJ) official briefed both senior FBI and DOJ officials in summer 2016 about Christopher Steele’s Russia dossier, explicitly cautioning that the British intelligence operative’s work was opposition research connected to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and might be biased.
according to real sources, the info given to the judge who decided the FISA warrant on Carter Page, who at that time was not even connected to the Trump campaign, made mention of the fact the Steele Dossier was prepared as opposition research. Why that is relevant is beyond me, but it was mentioned. here is the source-

Republicans concede key FBI 'footnote' in Carter Page warrant
Devin Nunes said Monday the FBI had disclosed political backing for a Trump-Russia dossier in October 2016, but a controversial GOP memo released last week did not mention it.

Republican leaders are acknowledging that the FBI disclosed the political origins of a private dossier the bureau cited in an application to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, undermining a controversial GOP memo released Friday and fueling Democratic demands to declassify more information about the bureau’s actions.

Democrats pounced on public comments over the past day by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and intelligence committee member Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), arguing that the GOP memo's failure to mention a key footnote in the FBI application shows how the party has cherry-picked classified facts to protect President Donald Trump.

To provide a fuller picture, intelligence committee Democrats insist, House Republicans must vote on Monday to release a classified 11-page rebuttal they wrote to the GOP memo.

While Republicans say their memo, orchestrated by Nunes and released with President Donald Trump’s backing, demonstrates anti-Trump bias at the FBI and Justice Department that calls into question the entire Russia investigation, Democrats say Republicans committed the very sin omitting crucial facts of which they accuse the FBI.

The debate revolves around an October 2016 FBI application to a federal judge for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against Page. That FISA application — and whether the FBI was fully transparent with a federal court that approved it in October 2016 — is at the heart of mounting allegations by President Donald Trump and allies in Congress that the FBI abused its spying authority during the 2016 campaign.

There's no evidence that the FBI spied on the Trump campaign itself. Rather, the warrant for Page was issued in October 2016, a month after he left the campaign — and after Trump campaign officials denied he played a central role. But the surveillance of Page was part of an FBI counterintelligence investigation into whether Trump associates coordinated with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

Page is a key figure in the dossier, which makes the unsubstantiated allegation that he held a secret meeting with a top Russian oil executive and a close Putin ally to discuss helping to lift U.S. sanctions against Russia in return for a financial windfall. Page had also been investigated by the FBI in 2013, after he was the target of a recruitment effort by Russian spies in New York City. And the former investment banker and energy consultant also made a summer 2016 trip to Moscow where, after shifting explanations, he now admits he met with Kremlin officials.

The intelligence committee's memo, which Trump declassified Friday, casts Steele’s dossier as a key component of the Page FISA warrant. But the memo doesn't clarify what other evidence might have been used to persuade a court to grant its application, which was renewed several times, including once by Trump's own Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Actually, Trump said that if a foreign source came to him and said that they had dirt on his opponent, he would listen.

He didn't say anything about accepting foreign aid.
duh. accepting dirt that a foreign country dug up by illegal means or contrived by false means or even just regular dirt is ACCEPTING AID FROM THAT COUNTRY....do the math.
 

Colorforms

Senator
duh. accepting dirt that a foreign country dug up by illegal means or contrived by false means or even just regular dirt is ACCEPTING AID FROM THAT COUNTRY....do the math.
How would Trump know that the dirt being presented was dug up by illegal means, like say, paying a foreign agent to go to an enemy and pay them for information which turns out to be false but is none the less used illegally to obtain FISA warrants to spy on people who are shown to have never done anything wrong. :)
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member

Oh brother!
Did you see how FoxNews hosts freaked out that Trump practically confessed to colluding with Russians in 2016 and threatens to do it again in 2020?

Brian Kilmeade, a “Fox and Friends” host, called on Trump to clean up the comments.

“You don’t want a foreign government or foreign entity giving you information because they will want something back,” he said Thursday morning. “If anybody knows that it is the President. There is no free lunch. If someone wants information they want influence. I think the President’s got to clarify that…He opened himself wide up to attacks.”

Heh heh.
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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according to real sources, the info given to the judge who decided the FISA warrant on Carter Page, who at that time was not even connected to the Trump campaign, made mention of the fact the Steele Dossier was prepared as opposition research. Why that is relevant is beyond me, but it was mentioned. here is the source-

Republicans concede key FBI 'footnote' in Carter Page warrant
Devin Nunes said Monday the FBI had disclosed political backing for a Trump-Russia dossier in October 2016, but a controversial GOP memo released last week did not mention it.

Republican leaders are acknowledging that the FBI disclosed the political origins of a private dossier the bureau cited in an application to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, undermining a controversial GOP memo released Friday and fueling Democratic demands to declassify more information about the bureau’s actions.

Democrats pounced on public comments over the past day by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and intelligence committee member Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), arguing that the GOP memo's failure to mention a key footnote in the FBI application shows how the party has cherry-picked classified facts to protect President Donald Trump.

To provide a fuller picture, intelligence committee Democrats insist, House Republicans must vote on Monday to release a classified 11-page rebuttal they wrote to the GOP memo.

While Republicans say their memo, orchestrated by Nunes and released with President Donald Trump’s backing, demonstrates anti-Trump bias at the FBI and Justice Department that calls into question the entire Russia investigation, Democrats say Republicans committed the very sin omitting crucial facts of which they accuse the FBI.

The debate revolves around an October 2016 FBI application to a federal judge for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against Page. That FISA application — and whether the FBI was fully transparent with a federal court that approved it in October 2016 — is at the heart of mounting allegations by President Donald Trump and allies in Congress that the FBI abused its spying authority during the 2016 campaign.

There's no evidence that the FBI spied on the Trump campaign itself. Rather, the warrant for Page was issued in October 2016, a month after he left the campaign — and after Trump campaign officials denied he played a central role. But the surveillance of Page was part of an FBI counterintelligence investigation into whether Trump associates coordinated with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

Page is a key figure in the dossier, which makes the unsubstantiated allegation that he held a secret meeting with a top Russian oil executive and a close Putin ally to discuss helping to lift U.S. sanctions against Russia in return for a financial windfall. Page had also been investigated by the FBI in 2013, after he was the target of a recruitment effort by Russian spies in New York City. And the former investment banker and energy consultant also made a summer 2016 trip to Moscow where, after shifting explanations, he now admits he met with Kremlin officials.

The intelligence committee's memo, which Trump declassified Friday, casts Steele’s dossier as a key component of the Page FISA warrant. But the memo doesn't clarify what other evidence might have been used to persuade a court to grant its application, which was renewed several times, including once by Trump's own Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795
The hill compared to politico is a real source try again.
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Did you see how FoxNews hosts freaked out that Trump practically confessed to colluding with Russians in 2016 and threatens to do it again in 2020?

Brian Kilmeade, a “Fox and Friends” host, called on Trump to clean up the comments.

“You don’t want a foreign government or foreign entity giving you information because they will want something back,” he said Thursday morning. “If anybody knows that it is the President. There is no free lunch. If someone wants information they want influence. I think the President’s got to clarify that…He opened himself wide up to attacks.”

Heh heh.
We know hillary did.
 

EatTheRich

President
Who turned it over to whom is of absolutely no consequence. Who funded it and its origins certainly matter. It’s built of material from bought and paid for foreign sources.

Trump did not need need to alert the FBI when approached for a meeting unless something illicit or unethical was proposed or offered. This supposed meeting produced nothing actionable.
It is legal to BUY services from foreign sources. It is illegal to accept GIFTS from them. In any case, the Steele dossier was not something produced for the campaign. It was produced by Steele on his own initiative after he stumbled across what he considered a security issue in the course of doing standard opposition research for the campaign.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
It is legal to BUY services from foreign sources. It is illegal to accept GIFTS from them. In any case, the Steele dossier was not something produced for the campaign. It was produced by Steele on his own initiative after he stumbled across what he considered a security issue in the course of doing standard opposition research for the campaign.
What’s your source for that story? I know I’ve never heard that one. What security issue did Steele stumble across? Seems like a real stretch since Trump has virtually zero connection to Russia’s attempts to influence the election.
Where do you come up with that?
 

EatTheRich

President
What’s your source for that story? I know I’ve never heard that one. What security issue did Steele stumble across? Seems like a real stretch since Trump has virtually zero connection to Russia’s attempts to influence the election.
Where do you come up with that?
I’m talking about the dossier. Which was compiled to turn over to American intelligence.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
I’m talking about the dossier. Which was compiled to turn over to American intelligence.
I don’t see any serious security concerns that came out of that dossier that are now verified. Prostitutes urinating in a bed doesn’t strike me as material we need out in front of a FISA court and start FBI investigations over.
 

EatTheRich

President
I don’t see any serious security concerns that came out of that dossier that are now verified. Prostitutes urinating in a bed doesn’t strike me as material we need out in front of a FISA court and start FBI investigations over.
Which is probably why the FBI didn’t present that particular allegation to a FISA court or start any investigation over it as far as I know. However, it sounds like classic kompromat material to me.

Btw Trump disagrees, he asked Comey to have the FBI look into it before Comey talked him out of it.
 
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