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Trump admits he welcomed Russia's help to win in 2016

MrMike

Bless you all
Who turned it over to whom is of absolutely no consequence. Who funded it and its origins certainly matter. It’s built of material from bought and paid for foreign sources.

Trump did not need need to alert the FBI when approached for a meeting unless something illicit or unethical was proposed or offered. This supposed meeting produced nothing actionable.
Ouch! Prepare for her to dodge this.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
What’s your source for that story? I know I’ve never heard that one. What security issue did Steele stumble across? Seems like a real stretch since Trump has virtually zero connection to Russia’s attempts to influence the election.
Where do you come up with that?
The Mueller report documents 140+ contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
How would Trump know that the dirt being presented was dug up by illegal means, like say, paying a foreign agent to go to an enemy and pay them for information which turns out to be false but is none the less used illegally to obtain FISA warrants to spy on people who are shown to have never done anything wrong. :)
you make a good point. how could anyone stupid enough to believe windmills cause cancer know anything about anything? he is pretty much a totally dim bulb.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Like Hillary ? Steele ? Fake Dossier ?

Lock her up then.
Steele was not an agent of any country, even Britain, our ally. Do you have any understanding of what "foreign agents" mean? Or info from foreign countries designed to help one candidate over another? Steele had contacts in Russia with people OPPOSED to Putin and his dictatorship- those were his sources, not cronies of Putin. Putin would probably kill anyone he even suspected of talking to Steele...CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE EVEN A LITTLE?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
I don’t see any serious security concerns that came out of that dossier that are now verified. Prostitutes urinating in a bed doesn’t strike me as material we need out in front of a FISA court and start FBI investigations over.
Do you really believe that is all the dossier said? and why, if you do believe that, do you believe that dossier was the primary evidence of the FISA warrant given to the FBI to surveil Carter Page, when he was not even associated with the Trump campaign at that time, and was authorized by one of nine federal judges that preside over FISA warrants, and this warrant was re-authorized 3 more times by 3 more judges!! and you claim all these judges gave their okay to wiretap Carter Page based on a report about trump and pissing prostitutes? wow!! unbelievable!!
 

Dino

Russian Asset
The Mueller report documents 140+ contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign.
That's not a security issue. That's normal pre-election politicking. All campaigns do it.

And as I said, no contact between Trump and people trying to rig an election either.

Nice try though.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
That's not a security issue. That's normal pre-election politicking. All campaigns do it.

And as I said, no contact between Trump and people trying to rig an election either.

Nice try though.
If the 140+ contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign was normal, why did Trump and everyone in his campaign DENY they had contacts with Russians?

Those contacts confirm Trump aiding and abetting Putin's interference in the 2016 campaign to help him and hurt Hillary.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
Do you really believe that is all the dossier said? and why, if you do believe that, do you believe that dossier was the primary evidence of the FISA warrant given to the FBI to surveil Carter Page, when he was not even associated with the Trump campaign at that time, and was authorized by one of nine federal judges that preside over FISA warrants, and this warrant was re-authorized 3 more times by 3 more judges!! and you claim all these judges gave their okay to wiretap Carter Page based on a report about trump and pissing prostitutes? wow!! unbelievable!!
They wire-tapped Carter Page?

And he was charged with.....?

Nothing. Why?

You are SLOW.

This must be news to you- but Page worked WITH the FBI to catch Russians.
Chalk yet one more thing you've been wrong about this whole time.


https://www.newsweek.com/was-carter-page-spy-russians-or-us-802770

The appearance of Carter Page in the Nunes memo is the latest odd connection to the Russia investigation for a man disavowed by the Trump administration yet whose name seems to never quite fade away.

From his trademark grin to his appearances on news shows, Page has remained an enigma that hints at some deeper, yet unknown, involvement.

But there is something else that has always intrigued me about Page: some of the similarities we seem to share.

We both served in the US Navy and were both approached by Russian intelligence officers and FBI counterintelligence special agents. But is that where the similarities end?


As somebody who spent over three years working undercover for the FBI as a double-agent against the Russians, I have often asked myself if the Page saga represents a US intelligence failure or perhaps something else.

Is it possible that Page may have been helping the US government? Could he have, in fact, been a US operational asset?

Carter Page first came to the attention of FBI's counterintelligence division in 2013, when he was approached by Russian intelligence officers. At the time he was an energy consultant who travelled between the US and Russia frequently.

In January of 2013, during an energy conference in New York City, Page met with Victor Podobnyy, a Russian SVR (Russia's equivalent of the CIA) officer working undercover as a diplomat assigned to Russia's Mission to the United Nations out of New York City.

Then in March, according to his testimony to the House Intelligence Committee, Page met with Podobnyy over a “coke or coffee.” In an FBI transcript of Podobnyy discussing Page with a fellow SVR officer in April of 2013, he calls Page an “idiot,” but somebody who the Russians could work with because of his “enthusiasm” and desire “to earn lots of money.”

Finally, six months after Page first met with the SVR officer, FBI counterintelligence agents investigating Podobnyy met with Page.

While it is unclear what the FBI agents said to Page in their meeting, they most brought into question who Podobnyy really was.

Whatever Page may have thought of Podobnyy's intentions, in 2015 the FBI brought charges against the Russian, alleging he was not a diplomat but a Russian intelligence officer.

Finally, in a rare occurrence, not only were the charges made public, but a conviction and jail time was secured against one of the Russian agents before he was deported back to Russia. Podobnyy, who had diplomatic immunity, wwas promptly obliged to leave the United States
 

Dino

Russian Asset
If the 140+ contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign was normal, why did Trump and everyone in his campaign DENY they had contacts with Russians?

Those contacts confirm Trump aiding and abetting Putin's interference in the 2016 campaign to help him and hurt Hillary.
Wow!! What a tremendous WHOPPER.

These "contacts" may just have been a innocent as any and all contacts with Russia made by Hillary Clinton's campaign. How would you know? 140+...whew, sounds like so many. How many contacts did Hillary's campaign have with Russia? Surely you know that answer, right? It's so relevant, it must be known.

Second question: if these contacts "confirm" aiding and abetting Putin's interference, how come the Mueller Report clears Trump of exactly that allegation?


No dodging these two questions now... we'd all hate to doubt your credibility.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Wow!! What a tremendous WHOPPER.

These "contacts" may just have been a innocent as any and all contacts with Russia made by Hillary Clinton's campaign. How would you know? 140+...whew, sounds like so many. How many contacts did Hillary's campaign have with Russia? Surely you know that answer, right? It's so relevant, it must be known.

Second question: if these contacts "confirm" aiding and abetting Putin's interference, how come the Mueller Report clears Trump of exactly that allegation?


No dodging these two questions now... we'd all hate to doubt your credibility.
It's all in the Mueller report. Read it.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
The Hookers weren't peeing on a bed, they were peeing on Trump.
Now you've turned a lie into your own perverse delusion?? So you'd like to be dishonest on top of being wrong in the first place?
Libs are weird.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/15/17233994/comey-interview-trump-pee-tape-russia

So the allegation is that in 2013, Trump hired “a number of prostitutes to perform a ‘golden showers’ (urination) show in front of him,” aimed at “defiling” the bed of the Ritz-Carlton’s presidential suite, because Barack and Michelle Obama had previously slept in that bed. (Note that the claim is not that Trump participated in this display, but rather that he requested and watched it.)

Then the implication — although it’s not explicitly stated — is that Russia’s intelligence service, the FSB, recorded all this with “microphones and concealed cameras” so it could later be used for “kompromat” and “blackmail” material over Trump if necessary.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
It's all in the Mueller report. Read it.
I just quoted him.






Boy oh boy, do you need an education. STOP POSTING LIES Julie.

The long-awaited completion of Mueller’s probe, and the release of his redacted report, reveals this narrative—and the expectations it fueled—to be unfounded. No American was indicted for conspiring with Russia to influence the 2016 election. Mueller’s report does lay out extensive evidence that Trump sought to impede the investigation, but it declines to issue a verdict on obstruction. It presents no evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with an alleged effort by the Russian government to defeat Hillary Clinton, and instead renders this conclusion: “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the [Trump] Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.” As a result, Mueller’s report provides the opposite of what Russiagate promoters led their audiences to expect: Rather than detailing a sinister collusion plot with Russia, it presents what amounts to an extended indictment of the conspiracy theory itself.

https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-trump-mueller-report-no-collusion/

Lisa Page knew it, what else was Mueller supposed to make of this?

“It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named special counsel to take over the Russia investigation.

With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881-lisa-page-bombshell-fbi-couldnt-prove-trump-russia-collusion-before-mueller
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
I just quoted him.






Boy oh boy, do you need an education. STOP POSTING LIES Julie.

The long-awaited completion of Mueller’s probe, and the release of his redacted report, reveals this narrative—and the expectations it fueled—to be unfounded. No American was indicted for conspiring with Russia to influence the 2016 election. Mueller’s report does lay out extensive evidence that Trump sought to impede the investigation, but it declines to issue a verdict on obstruction. It presents no evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with an alleged effort by the Russian government to defeat Hillary Clinton, and instead renders this conclusion: “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the [Trump] Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.” As a result, Mueller’s report provides the opposite of what Russiagate promoters led their audiences to expect: Rather than detailing a sinister collusion plot with Russia, it presents what amounts to an extended indictment of the conspiracy theory itself.

https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-trump-mueller-report-no-collusion/

Lisa Page knew it, what else was Mueller supposed to make of this?

“It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named special counsel to take over the Russia investigation.

With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/406881-lisa-page-bombshell-fbi-couldnt-prove-trump-russia-collusion-before-mueller
If you read and understood the Mueller report, he explains that he couldn't find the evidence to meet the criminal threshold of CONSPIRACY....but he documented evidence of collusion or aiding & abetting. 140+ contacts between Trump and Russians is a major piece of the evidence.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Now you've turned a lie into your own perverse delusion?? So you'd like to be dishonest on top of being wrong in the first place?
Libs are weird.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/15/17233994/comey-interview-trump-pee-tape-russia

So the allegation is that in 2013, Trump hired “a number of prostitutes to perform a ‘golden showers’ (urination) show in front of him,” aimed at “defiling” the bed of the Ritz-Carlton’s presidential suite, because Barack and Michelle Obama had previously slept in that bed. (Note that the claim is not that Trump participated in this display, but rather that he requested and watched it.)

Then the implication — although it’s not explicitly stated — is that Russia’s intelligence service, the FSB, recorded all this with “microphones and concealed cameras” so it could later be used for “kompromat” and “blackmail” material over Trump if necessary.
That's what Russians do.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
If you read and understood the Mueller report, he explains that he couldn't find the evidence to meet the criminal threshold of CONSPIRACY....but he documented evidence of collusion or aiding & abetting. 140+ contacts between Trump and Russians is a major piece of the evidence.
You're still lying.
There was NO American aiding and abetting at all. None found.

"Contacts" means absolutely nothing. And he documented who made these contacts didn't he? How high up does it go? I asked you to answer 2 questions and you only responded with lies.

You haven't proven shit and you're just embarrassing yourself.

I sourced where you were wrong. Care to source anything that makes you look correct?
 
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