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Trump embraced a conspiracy that led to impeachment

RickWA

Snagglesooth
At the center of the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump lies a disinformation campaign led by his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani that was aided and abetted by conservative writer John Solomon. Through Solomon, Giuliani injected his disinformation campaign straight into the heart of conservative media -- Fox News -- with seemingly full knowledge of at least some at Fox. And eventually, Solomon landed a job at the network.

It is now known that Trump blessed Giuliani to run a shadow foreign policy campaign in Ukraine, in which he sought information that would undermine the intelligence community's findings that Russia interfered in our 2016 election to benefit Trump. Giuliani was also trying to dig up dirt to smear former Vice President Joe Biden, a front-runner to challenge Trump in the 2020 election.

https://www.mediamatters.org/john-solomon/how-conservative-writer-john-solomon-served-conduit-rudy-giulianis-ukraine-conspiracy

The fact that Trump believes crazy shit.....renders him unfit to serve as president.
Facts:
1) Trump has not been impeached yet. As is common, you can’t even get past your subject line without lying.
2) Any sitting President is constitutionally and literally the author of foreign policy. It is definitionally impossible for a sitting president to execute, bless, or approve “shadow foreign policy”. It simply cannot be.

So, to summarize...you lied in your subject line and then lied in the body of your post. You posted demonstrably untrue things yet again.
 
2) Any sitting President is constitutionally and literally the author of foreign policy. It is definitionally impossible for a sitting president to execute, bless, or approve “shadow foreign policy”. It simply cannot be.
Yes, it is. When they are conducting foreign policy in a manner that isn't accountable to congress.
 

Addy

Rebuild With Biden!
Using the same tactic some of you on PJ use -- the writer, on your read, John Solomon.... says Ukrainian law enforcement... believes.
John Solomon has been discredited many times for hyping up his stories. .
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Ukrainian law enforcement officials believe they have evidence of wrongdoing by American Democrats and their allies in Kiev, ranging from 2016 election interference to obstructing criminal probes. But, they say, they’ve been thwarted in trying to get the Trump Justice Department to act.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Yes, it is. When they are conducting foreign policy in a manner that isn't accountable to congress.
This is false. If a president conducts foreign policy - no matter how crappy - it is, by definition, not “shadow policy”. He is foreign policy’s origin. Period. No lies. No dilution. No obfuscation. Just focus - and honesty.
 
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Using the same tactic some of you on PJ use -- the writer, on your read, John Solomon.... says Ukrainian law enforcement... believes.
John Solomon has been discredited many times for hyping up his stories. .
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Ukrainian law enforcement officials believe they have evidence of wrongdoing by American Democrats and their allies in Kiev, ranging from 2016 election interference to obstructing criminal probes. But, they say, they’ve been thwarted in trying to get the Trump Justice Department to act.
You're right. We better have an investigation and find out the facts.
 
This is false. If a president conducts foreign policy - no matter how crappy - it is, by definition, not “shadow policy”. He is foreign policy’s origin. Period. No lies. No dilution. No obfuscation. Just focus - and honesty.
There are consitution and legal means for him to conduct foreign policy. Using his personal lawyer to do so isn't one of them. Pompeo is accountable to congress, Guiliani is not, and therefore has no business conducting foreign policy.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
There are consitution and legal means for him to conduct foreign policy. Using his personal lawyer to do so isn't one of them. Pompeo is accountable to congress, Guiliani is not, and therefore has no business conducting foreign policy.
It’s still not “shadow” policy if the originator of USA foreign policy conducts, blesses, or authorizes it. This just fact. For example, when Iran-Contra was all the rage, that was foreign policy. Even when actions and/or policies are illegal, they are still foreign policy...executed or authorized by the president.

The only way we could have “shadow foreign policy” is if policy was conducted behind a president’s back or in absence of his authorization. If a given prez does illegal stuff, bust him. Just don’t call it something other than what it is.
 
The only way we could have “shadow foreign policy” is if policy was conducted behind a president’s back or in absence of his authorization.
It's a shadow policy because it is being done behind congressional backs, who have constitutionals rights and responsiblities to oversee foreign policy.
If a given prez does illegal stuff, bust him.
I think they are in the process of doing that right now
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
It's a shadow policy because it is being done behind congressional backs, who have constitutionals rights and responsiblities to oversee foreign policy.

I think they are in the process of doing that right now
It’s not shadow if the originator does it. The singular author of foreign policy CANNOT operate a “shadow policy”.

You people have become crazy. You’d even argue about the moisture of water in its liquid state. Good grief, get a bloody hobby.
 
It’s not shadow if the originator does it. The singular author of foreign policy CANNOT operate a “shadow policy”.
The definition of "shadow policy" is not even what's important.
What is important is that what Trump did largely through Guiliani is impeachable.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
This isn't an impeachment.
This is the inquiry part of the impeachment process. Once they're done with the public hearings, they will decide whether or not to draw up articles of impeachment. If they do, then the House will vote on each article. If at least one article receives a majority vote, then the matter will go to the Senate for trial.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Trump would like to make it appear it was Ukraine interfering in our past election -- not Russia/Putin. Rem. he asked for their help in locating the so called missing e-mail server in his Ukraine call/transcript.
I put this link on awhile back and some of the repubs on PJ ridiculed the source. :rolleyes:
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Trump's whole Ukraine scheme may have started because he has terrible taste in news sources
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Because, as has happened a thousand times on as many topics, Trump read or heard something he thought was bad for an opponent. He then became convinced it had to be true, and kept trying to make it true, no matter how many Giuliani trips to Kyiv came up dry. Trump just kept on insisting that there had to be someone who would support the story he wanted to believe—even if it took extortion to find that agreement.

Trump took in an article that had an explosive claim about Biden. And in an effort to “prove” that claim, Trump sent Giuliani on a series of trips to Ukraine, Spain, and elsewhere—with the State Department providing him information and support. When that didn’t generate the proof Trump wanted, he put a hold on Ukraine’s military aid and got on the phone with the country’s president to tell him to make up something about Biden. Or else. And all of that appears to have come from stories that were written by Solomon, who had a terrible reputation for producing incomplete and slanted reporting.

In a way, Solomon was the author of Trump’s downfall.
Solomon has turned himself into a pariah in journo world.

1. Trump wants Ukraine to take the rap.....so Putin/Russia will be absolved of helping Trump win in 2016. Trump has even sent AG Barr, his consigliere around the world to get "evidence" that Russia's clean. That's quite a conspiracy.....and quite a debt Trump owes Putin. What does Putin have on him?
2. Trump wants Ukraine to be identified as helping Hillary. Maybe some other country will LOCK HER UP since Trump can't. Ha ha ha.
 
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