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Trump going to The Hague

Colorforms

Senator
No they do not get pardoned at the end of their terms.

Who told you that ?

They can't be charged for their official acts as POTUS under US law. But crimes as an individual are on the table just like anyone else. Trump is being investigated for crimes he committed as private citizen, like his falsifying his tax returns and possible money laundering.

As far as the International Court that is explicitly for acts his acts of POTUS that are against the international community. US law does not hold sway over the decisions of other countries in regards to acts committed by our leaders.
LOL can't wait to see how that goes. Once Trump is out of office, NY will lose interest. It's all about power, and prosecuting someone who is out of office is just a waste of resources. :)
 

excalibur

Mayor
One might almost conclude lawlessness is in Republican DNA. With Trump, it sure is. Trump gave all sorts of explanations for the assassination of the Iran general because the lawyers knew it was against the law.

Remember when Øbama was personally picking targets to drone? And targeted and killed an American citizen" No? Or the killing of Osama-bin-Laden and then dumping the corpse in the ocean? Well, this is to remind you of your hypocrisy.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Remember when Øbama was personally picking targets to drone? And targeted and killed an American citizen" No? Or the killing of Osama-bin-Laden and then dumping the corpse in the ocean? Well, this is to remind you of your hypocrisy.
Trump committed a war crime assassinating the Iranian general.....hoping it would bring him the same kind of acclaim Barack Obama received for taking out the perpetrator of the 9/11/01 attack on American soil, Osama bin Laden. Trump misfired.
 

reason10

Governor
…..in handcuffs.

Iran will pursue war-crimes charges against President Donald Trump at the International Criminal Court in the Hague over the January 3 assassination of its top commander, Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

Shortly after Soleimani's death, Agnes Callamard, UN Special Rapporteur on Extra-Judicial Executions, tweeted that the bar for lethal action by a nation claiming self-defense — as the Trump administration has repeatedly claimed — is extremely high and requires an imminent threat that the US has so far failed to identify. "The targeted killings of Qasem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi al Muhandi most likely violate international law [including] human rights law. Lawful justifications for such killings are very narrowly defined and it is hard to imagine how any of these can apply to these killings."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-iran-qassem-soleimani-war-crimes-lawsuit-could-win-2020-1

Trump was hoping for a Nobel Peace Prize for this illegal assassination. Too bad.

1. It was not an assassination. It was an act of combat. Salami was not an elected official. He wasn't even in Iran at the time of his well deserved dirt nap.

2. Rush Limbaugh was so right about you liberals. When you're in power, you're very dangerous. But when you're out of power, you are hilarious to watch.
 

voyager

4Q2247365
Trump doesn't know what to do, stay in Washington and whine on twatter or go look presidential in Europe. No one cares.
 

Colorforms

Senator
Are any of those name eyewitnesses who can show he's innocent ?
Because that would be a first in his situation.
Hmm, I'm thinking it's the democrat's job to prove he's guilty in western jurisprudence. Being that you're so invested in the fascist way of doing things, I can understand how you can get confused. :)
 

Spamature

President
Hmm, I'm thinking it's the democrat's job to prove he's guilty in western jurisprudence. Being that you're so invested in the fascist way of doing things, I can understand how you can get confused. :)
Not in the court of public opinion in regards to the next election. Which is what Moscow Mitch is determined to hold this case. If the Dems are smart they will put the GOP senate on trial instead of Trump, and then let them convict themselves by letting him off.
 

Colorforms

Senator
Not in the court of public opinion in regards to the next election. Which is what Moscow Mitch is determined to hold this case. If the Dems are smart they will put the GOP senate on trial instead of Trump, and then let them convict themselves by letting him off.
The democrats are trying. They are insisting that if McConnell doesn't do what the house wants and call witnesses, that the trial will be unfair. Irony was never so blatant considering the house refused to allow Trump to have counsel during hearings.

Democrats know this whole thing is leaving a bad taste in the mouth of the electorate, and they are desperate to salvage some semblance of reputation. The only way they can do that is if the senate cooperates and allows witnesses. That will give dems the opportunity to use their media sock puppets to smear republicans.

\The end is already written on this. :)
 

Spamature

President
The democrats are trying. They are insisting that if McConnell doesn't do what the house wants and call witnesses, that the trial will be unfair. Irony was never so blatant considering the house refused to allow Trump to have counsel during hearings.

Democrats know this whole thing is leaving a bad taste in the mouth of the electorate, and they are desperate to salvage some semblance of reputation. The only way they can do that is if the senate cooperates and allows witnesses. That will give dems the opportunity to use their media sock puppets to smear republicans.

\The end is already written on this. :)
Trump could have made himself and anyone he wants available to testify in the initial investigation. He didn't do that. Instead he stonewalled the early investigation be forbidding his people from testifying. During his actual impeachment inquiry he refuse allow himself or his lawyer to attend them. The irony here is your complaining about the process at all.

The Dems are not the ones coordinating with the WH, that's Moscow Mitch and his crew. They are because they know the only way out of this is to rig it in his favor. That rigging is going to leave a taste in the electorate's mouth that won't disappear before election day no matter how hard the right wing media works to distract the public from its stench.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Remember when Øbama was personally picking targets to drone? And targeted and killed an American citizen" No? Or the killing of Osama-bin-Laden and then dumping the corpse in the ocean? Well, this is to remind you of your hypocrisy.
Barry O said he was "good at killing people"
 

Colorforms

Senator
Trump could have made himself and anyone he wants available to testify in the initial investigation. He didn't do that. Instead he stonewalled the early investigation be forbidding his people from testifying. During his actual impeachment inquiry he refuse allow himself or his lawyer to attend them. The irony here is your complaining about the process at all.
Absolutely none of that was true. The president was not allowed legal council and only Schiff could allow witnesses. That was all in the procedural rules that democrats forced on the process. Republicans had no input, and were not allowed a minority hearing as is required by house rules. Republicans were railroaded. This was not a fair process and I don't blame the president, after cooperating fully with 3 hearings and 2 investigations, deciding not to indulge this

The Dems are not the ones coordinating with the WH, that's Moscow Mitch and his crew. They are because they know the only way out of this is to rig it in his favor. That rigging is going to leave a taste in the electorate's mouth that won't disappear before election day no matter how hard the right wing media works to distract the public from its stench.
The republicans in the senate are NOT doing what Trump wants. Trump wants a full trial in order to clear his name. McConnell doesn't want to get the democrats more opportunity to lie to the American people.
 

Spamature

President
Absolutely none of that was true. The president was not allowed legal council and only Schiff could allow witnesses. That was all in the procedural rules that democrats forced on the process. Republicans had no input, and were not allowed a minority hearing as is required by house rules. Republicans were railroaded. This was not a fair process and I don't blame the president, after cooperating fully with 3 hearings and 2 investigations, deciding not to indulge this



The republicans in the senate are NOT doing what Trump wants. Trump wants a full trial in order to clear his name. McConnell doesn't want to get the democrats more opportunity to lie to the American people.
He was invited to have his counsel present during the actual impeachment inquiry. Stop trying to say he did not.

During the investigation he barred witnesses who were part of the actual goings on to appear before congress. You know that. Why are you pretending he didn't. Also don't pretend he fully cooperated during the Mueller investigation. He also refuse to sit down and be interviewed and he dragged it out to the point where Mueller consider subpoenaing him in order interview him. Then as Mueller testified he lied in the written question submitted to his lawyers.

Let's see if Moscow Mitch allows the Trump admin official directly involved to testify.
Let's see if Trump comes down to testify in his own defense. Otherwise you are just wishing in the wind that MM isn't out to do his best to rig this trial, and in turn put the GOP itself on trial when he does.
 

Colorforms

Senator
He was invited to have his counsel present during the actual impeachment inquiry. Stop trying to say he did not.

During the investigation he barred witnesses who were part of the actual goings on to appear before congress. You know that. Why are you pretending he didn't. Also don't pretend he fully cooperated during the Mueller investigation. He also refuse to sit down and be interviewed and he dragged it out to the point where Mueller consider subpoenaing him in order interview him. Then as Mueller testified he lied in the written question submitted to his lawyers.

Let's see if Moscow Mitch allows the Trump admin official directly involved to testify.
Let's see if Trump comes down to testify in his own defense. Otherwise you are just wishing in the wind that MM isn't out to do his best to rig this trial, and in turn put the GOP itself on trial when he does.
Trump allowed everyone that Mueller wanted to talk with to testify during the investigation and released immediately every piece of information that Mueller asked for. Trump answered Mueller's questions in written form. He completely cooperated. Democrats ignored the results of the investigations and continued with their persecution of the president. Trump is completely within his rights not to cooperate any more.

Executive privilege, as exercised by every other president before him, is perfectly acceptable. Democrats, however, couldn't even wait for the court challenges to be ruled on. The second article should be thrown out on it's face, since no ruling was made on Trump's use of executive privilege.

Democrats, in a more sane time in our nation, would be shunned for being the corrupt children that they are. Trump was right in that the democrats control the news and that is a danger to the American people.
 
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