Trump law: separate immigrant kids from parents

[YouCantHandleDaTruth]

More about Red Don's creating situations so they can kidnap children from ... LEGAL ... immigrants

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/immigrant-advocates-question-legality-of-latest-federal-tactics/

New Tactics

In recent weeks, Garcia and other immigrant activists in El Paso had been hearing reports that CBP agents were blocking Central Americans from proceeding across the bridge to the port of entry where they are entitled to begin the asylum process. By making asylum claims at a port of entry, immigrants are supposed to be given a court date so that a judge may determine if the asylum claim is credible. But recent reports suggest Central Americans are being turned back to Juárez. Ironically, Garcia said, many of these Central Americans have grown frustrated and subsequently decided to sneak into the United States outside of a port of entry, then gotten arrested by the Border Patrol. New Trump administration policy requires that anyone caught entering illegally be arrested, face criminal charges, and be separated from any children they are traveling with.

 

[Drumcollie]

Leviticus 19:33-34 33And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Exodus 12:49
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Psalm 146:9
The Lord watches over the sojourners; he upholds the widow and the fatherless, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin.

1 Peter 2:13-16 ESV / 1,871 helpful votes
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God.

Until you treat Trump supporters as well as you want to treat these illegals who show no respect for our law and send their children off on their own for the parents own benefit, you are a cover up for evil.

You cannot cherry pick the bible, because GOD knows that this isn't about you and your relationship with Christ Jesus. it's about...

 

[MrMike]

I like this policy. Separating kids from parents that abuse them by traveling illegally abroad to engage their minors in committing criminal activities is a good thing!

 

[Drumcollie]

It's clear as day whose policy it is and it's not that of the dems.

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How Trump Came to Enforce a Practice of Separating Migrant Families

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But advocates inside the administration, most prominently Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s senior policy adviser, never gave up on the idea. Last month, facing a sharp uptick in illegal border crossings, Mr. Trump ordered a new effort to criminally prosecute anyone who crossed the border unlawfully — with few exceptions for parents traveling with their minor children.

And now Mr. Trump faces the consequences. With thousands of children detained in makeshift shelters, his spokesmen this past week had to deny accusations that the administration was acting like Nazis. Even evangelical supporters like Franklin Graham said its policy was “disgraceful.”

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But Mr. Miller has expressed none of the president’s misgivings. “No nation can have the policy that whole classes of people are immune from immigration law or enforcement,” he said during an interview in his West Wing office this past week. “It was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period. The message is that no one is exempt from immigration law.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/16/us/politics/family-separation-trump.html

Socialism is wrong...I agree.

 

[Drumcollie]

He sounds like a fat slobbering Nazi bigot...Because he is

He does not sound like a socialist to me...Does he sound like a socialist to you? If not why are you calling him a socialist?

Btw no matter what you say Trump still won.

 

[Drumcollie]

Yes, an arbitrary legal distinction, just as Nazi Germany had an arbitrary legal distinction between Jews and Aryans.

You think Trump is a socialist like Hitler and you are socialists...Oh but now you want to play the semantics game of Hitler wasn't a real socialist, except he was.

Welcome to your phony self.

 

[MrMike]

BTW... an inconvenient truth for Democrats:

Crocodile tears are flowing from Democrats and their allies in the Democrat Media Industrial Complex (DMIC) over the Trump administration’s enforcement of immigration laws signed by then-President Bill Clinton in 1997, followed by then-President Barack Obama’s decisions and policies.

Immigration laws are a function of every country on the planet. Otherwise, why have borders? Which is something Democrats would apparently prefer not to have — or enforce. Because they want a recurring wave of new underclass voters, dependent upon the state for all their needs. Illegal aliens fit that description perfectly.

The latest salvo in the immigration imbroglio stems from illegal alien children flooding across America’s Southern border being separated from their parents.

The 1997 law that Mr. Clinton signed says minor children who enter the United States illegally must be separated from their parents who are sent to jail because they crossed the border illegally. Because children cannot accompany their parents to jail, they are separated and sent elsewhere, either shelters or foster homes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3664053/posts

 

[ObamacareForever]

You think Trump is a socialist like Hitler and you are socialists...Oh but now you want to play the semantics game of Hitler wasn't a real socialist, except he was.

Welcome to your phony self.

Hitler has a national-socialist. Trump's "America First" are both nationalist and socialist. Or Nazi for short.

 

[EatTheRich]

Did either of you actually read the article I linked?
"families that arrive together at legal ports of entry and apply for asylum status are generally not split up and are permitted to stay in the U.S. pending the adjudication of their applications" and 90% of the children in detention arrived unaccompanied by an adult.

This is no longer the policy. Under the new mandate from Washington, all adults arriving are subjected to prosecution and the children are taken from them.

Any concern for the trafficking of these children away from their parents, through Central America and Mexico to go unaccompanied to the US border? Any concern for the Mexican government loading these children onto buses at its Southern border and shipping them North to the US as their means of dealing with them? Any concern for the poverty and crime and corruption that drives Latin American's to go through this in the first place?
No, no, and no. Only concern for political capital to use against the President.

I have consistently demanded an open border and cancelation of the third world debt ... the two most obvious remedies ... since long before Trump was elected. The fact is that the abuses you're talking about are inherent in the capitalist system.

With no concern for the facts or the law, let only children, either.

No one wants to see children suffering to any degree. To accuse anyone of feeling otherwise is deplorable. To do so for the sake of partisan politics is beyond reprehensible.

The DOJ could end the suffering at any time by rescinding its prosecution-mandatory policy. According to an administration official, they won't because the goal is to use the suffering of children to "force people to the table."

The attempt at evocation through the use of the terms "concentration camps" and "Nazi Germany" is inaccurate, irrelevant, dishonest, propagandist, and cheap.

The distinction between citizens and foreign nationals in a country illegally is no more arbitrary than any other legal distinction. It's valid, reasonable, rational, and necessary. It's the law, and the the POTUS has a constitutional duty to enforce the law. If one wishes the law changed, one ought write one's congressional representatives.

The distinction between Jews and others is not at all arbitrary; it's quite real and a distinction made by Jews themselves.
It's also irrelevant to this discussion and put forth as a technique both unsound and lazy to support an argument that has no foundation in law or reason.

What we are talking about is people on the basis of morally irrelevant personal characteristics being deprived of basic human rights.

 

[EatTheRich]

This is really what it is all about.

So it's OK for the Republicans to perpetrate human rights abuses against children because otherwise they might legally become citizens and vote for the opposition?

 

[Emily]

MAGA Nationalist should stop exploiting the kids then

Yes, they should. So should all Republican. So should the Democrats. So should you.

You think Trump is a socialist like Hitler and you are socialists...Oh but now you want to play the semantics game of Hitler wasn't a real socialist, except he was.

Hitler has a national-socialist. Trump's "America First" are both nationalist and socialist. Or Nazi for short.

You're both incorrect, as I've shown with documentation multiple times on this site. Here's another:
https://k0nsl.org/blog/responses/what-is-the-difference-between-marxism-and-national-socialism/

This is no longer the policy. Under the new mandate from Washington, all adults arriving are subjected to prosecution and the children are taken from them.

I'll look into it. Thanks.

I have consistently demanded an open border and cancelation of the third world debt ... the two most obvious remedies ... since long before Trump was elected.

Indeed you have.
An open border may remedy a problem for some third world-ers -- those who can manage to get to the US -- in the short term. A major problem, among several, with that supposed solution is that turning the US into a third world hell like the one they're trying to escape leaves them nowhere to run in the long term.

The fact is that the abuses you're talking about are inherent in the capitalist system.

Agreed.
Illegal entry into a sovereign country isn't an acceptable response.

According to an administration official, they won't because the goal is to use the suffering of children to "force people to the table."

Exactly the exploitation on the Trump side I was talking about.
The Democrat and main-stream Republican counter-offensive is equally despicable, imo.

What we are talking about is people on the basis of morally irrelevant personal characteristics being deprived of basic human rights.

Those who break the law are deprived of rights. Their families and children suffer as a consequence. Tragic perhaps but true nonetheless. You may consider country of origin to be morally irrelevant -- and there's a case to be made for that -- but the deprivation of rights is a consequence of illegal action, not personal characteristics.

 

[MrMike]

Hitler has a national-socialist. Trump's "America First" are both nationalist and socialist. Or Nazi for short.

Well you had to go Godwin eh?

You lose

 

[JuliefromOhio]

You seem grumpy that you were unable to hack and shred these ones in the womb.

You're such a good Trumpy.

 

[RickWA]

You're such a good Trumpy.

Personally, I'd prefer a policy in which:

1) Folks physically cannot enter our country without prior permission & screening.

2) Barring #1 above, anyone who sets foot on American soil illegally is summarily captured and transported back to point of entry in real-time (no case research, no "processing"...simply removed immediately upon entry).

If the above were the case, there would be no need to separate family members.

We need to enforce our laws and NEVER allow our politicians and bureaucrats the option of selective enforcement. If you don't like a law, make them change it - DO NOT encourage them to operate extra-legally. What sort of moron does that?!?

 

[ObamacareForever]

2) Barring #1 above, anyone who sets foot on American soil illegally is summarily captured and transported back to point of entry in real-time (no case research, no "processing"...simply removed immediately upon entry).

How do you determine who entered the country illegally without case research?
Due process still applies.

 

[RickWA]

How do you determine who entered the country illegally without case research?
Due process still applies.

1) Monitor entry
2) If no proper document is on hand, you boot them out.

There is no due process required, no complex administration. It's all just noise generated by kooks.

 

[Joe in Tulsa]

One difference: they aren't putting ALL American parents in prison.

Are they putting ALL immigrant parents in prison? The answer is no. Maybe read Emily's post, #30, part of which reads
"However, families that arrive together at legal ports of entry and apply for asylum status are generally not split up and are permitted to stay in the U.S. pending the adjudication of their applications..."

 

[Alinvegas]

Mehdi Hasan

✔ @mehdirhasan


This clip is a case-study in Trump lying: In a very rare on-camera exchange with reporters, & in a rare moment where reporters fact-check him on the spot, he gets annoyed, insists they let him speak and then repeats his lie, deliberately, consciously, brazenly, several more times.



Aaron Rupar

✔ @atrupar
Replying to @atrupar
REPORTER: Why did Sessions announce the family-separation policy?

TRUMP: He's following the law.

REPORTER: It's not a law!

TRUMP: The Democrats gave us the laws. I want the laws to be beautiful.

It is the law. You don't want to believe it, but it is. The MSM is lying to you and you are eating it up. The children that are being taken away for adults is because the adult is not their parent or related to them in any way. So the adult is breaking the law by trying to gain entrance into the us by using a child. This is illegal and what would you do, let the poor kid stay with this criminal? Of course you would, cuz that's the way lefty thinks.

 

[Emily]

https://www.bongino.com/debunked-obama-deported-more-people-than-trump/
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/06/the-truth-about-separating-kids-at-the-border.php
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/the-immorality-of-the-open-borders-left/

https://www.bongino.com/june-18-2018-ep-744-the-democrats-are-lying-again/

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Michael Avenatti

✔ @MichaelAvenatti


It does not matter who started the family separation policy. Even if it was @BarackObama (it wasn't), Trump has consistently bragged about his ability to end Obama's policies. But now he claims he can't end this one?!?! This is now Trump's draconian policy and it should end now.

9:44 AM - Jun 18, 2018