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Trump: punish women who have abortions

Discussion in 'Civil and Human Rights' started by JuliefromOhio, Jul 1, 2018.

  1. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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  2. Jen

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    Fake news.
     
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  3. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    Lie to yourself - pretend that Trump didn't say that women who have abortions should be punished.
     
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  4. marvin martian

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    He didn't.
     
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  5. gigi

    gigi Mayor

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    I saw that interview when it happened. Didn't go as the left spins it.
     
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  6. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    It went according to the video where you hear Trump saying women who have abortions should be punished. He was just repeating the Republican position.
    In OH, there are 20 Republican legislators who not only want to ban abortion, but then want women who have an abortion to be charged with murder.
     
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  7. Emily

    Emily NSDAP Kanzler

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    ^ Newspeak.

    Can't be done; that's not how the court operates.

    Julie did post video proof. What did you see that would contradict it?
     
  8. gigi

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    He drilled Trump longer than that clip shows on abortion.
    If something is against the law, any candidate would agree that anyone who breaks a specific law should be punished. That's not unusual. So he takes abortion, and Trump's position on abortion, and asks the what if question. What if abortion were banned? Should those who break a law be punished?
    It's a lose lose for a candidate. If he said No, then the next question would surely be well, why ban it then if we're not going to deter law breaking with punishment. Why have laws if there are no consequences for breaking them? If he says yes, then it becomes about being anti-woman. And that's all Matthews was after in the first place.

    And if you notice, when Trump turns the tables on him it's okay for Matthews to say "well, I accept the teaching authority of my church" but he doesn't think abortion should be banned. Matthews allows himself to hold two conflicting views on the topic, but he's pinning Trump against the wall. If Matthews is telling the truth about accepting his churches' teaching on abortion yet doesn't feel it should be banned, then his view would be no different than Trump's if Trump had been allowed to say what he was trying to.

    This is no different than when leftists badgered Dan Cathy, founder of Chic Fil A, about marriage. He refused to answer that question several times. When they finally badgered him enough, he gave in and shared HIS view. Next thing you know, they spun it as Cathy being anti-gay and a judgemental religious fanatic who wanted to push his views on everyone else, completely ignoring the fact that they had to DRAG his view out of him . It was just a matter of being POed at a fundamentalist Christian who made good, and an attempt to take him down. But the Cathy family held fast to their trust in God, and they're still here.

    Frankly, I think that Cathy incident and the Duck Dynasty guy's incident opened a lot of people's eyes to the bully technique and so they recognized it next time around.

    I have several prochoice friends who voted for Trump.
     
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  9. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    Trump know his party wants Roe overturned and he will appoint the judges to do it.
     
  10. gigi

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    Julie we're going around in circles on this thread. If you have an issue with RVW being overturned ( and I don't think it will be) your anger should be directed at the justices who gave you RVW. They said, specifically, in the decision that they were not qualified to determine when life begins and that if scientific evidence of life beginning in the womb ever came to light, the decision MUST be revisited. That evidence has come to light.

    You and other prochoice folks can hash about what defines a life all day. But that's editorializing. That's each of you opining about what gives a human life value. And you disagree with each other because you don't have facts behind you.
    What the justices were leaving room for back in 1973 was the existence of a living human being. The fact that the unborn are not conceived in a state wherein they'd be viable outside their mothers' was never a stipulation.

    Anyway, it really wasn't RVW that brought abortion rights. It was Doe V. Bolton.
     
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  11. JuliefromOhio

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    I look forward to it.
     
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