Trump: Wrong for standing up for American trade and workers

[Dawg]

If American farmers do it so well why do they need government subsidies to protect them from foreign competition?

Go ask your mama!

 

[Dawg]

Governments don't determine where prices need to be. Consumers do.

Agricultural Subsidies are terrible for the economy:
Agricultural economist Vincent Smith notes: "When farmers buy subsidized crop insurance coverage based on their farms' crop yields, they use fewer inputs that reduce the risk of crop losses. In plain language, farmers change their production practices — and on average produce less output — when they have crop insurance coverage."36 Thus, he says, "by subsidizing crop insurance, taxpayers are encouraging farmers to work less efficiently, produce fewer crops, and make smaller contributions to the overall productivity of the U.S. economy."37
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies

You and him are full of shit............if that were so we'd never set grain loss on combines low as possible...........you sound like the libs that think the food is raised in the back of grocery stores.

 

[connieb]

So you think consumers can't determine their own food security? That's awful paternalistic of you.

I think it's the govts job to prepare to provide for the general welfare in a time of war.

 

[RickWA]

Governments don't determine where prices need to be. Consumers do.

Agricultural Subsidies are terrible for the economy:
Agricultural economist Vincent Smith notes: "When farmers buy subsidized crop insurance coverage based on their farms' crop yields, they use fewer inputs that reduce the risk of crop losses. In plain language, farmers change their production practices — and on average produce less output — when they have crop insurance coverage."36 Thus, he says, "by subsidizing crop insurance, taxpayers are encouraging farmers to work less efficiently, produce fewer crops, and make smaller contributions to the overall productivity of the U.S. economy."37
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies

Your posting name is "ObamaCareForever" and you presume to lecture others about consumers (demand) setting prices on goods, commodities, and services? This is nearly as funny as the self-admitted board atheists who constantly define Christianity for us.

Classic.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Your posting name is "ObamaCareForever" and you presume to lecture others about consumers (demand) setting prices on goods, commodities, and services? This is nearly as funny as the self-admitted board atheists who constantly define Christianity for us.

Classic.

-Do you ever use pathos or logos as a means of persuasion? Or do you solely stick to ethos?
-Do you disagree with the substance of my argument?

 

[ObamacareForever]

I think it's the govts job to prepare to provide for the general welfare in a time of war.

We have been at war for the past 17 years. Food security would not have been an issue if farm subsidies weren't there.

 

[ObamacareForever]

You and him are full of shit............if that were so we'd never set grain loss on combines low as possible...........you sound like the libs that think the food is raised in the back of grocery stores.

Crop Insurance induces moral hazard. They take risks they shouldn't because at the end of the day the government will bail them out if they f*ck up.
This isn't Liberals making these arguments. This is Rand Paul, this is the CATO institute, This is the Heritage Foundation. These are your peeps.

 

[connieb]

We have been at war for the past 17 years. Food security would not have been an issue if farm subsidies weren't there.

Really we have an official declaration of war? Farm subsidies exist as a Result of the rationing done during the previous two world wars. I realize lefty is not a good long term thinker and lives on immediate gratification but perhaps you should consider that people who lived through that want to make sure it is not repeated.

 

[Montecresto]

Trump bad, real bad. Boo hiss.

Canada insulted.

Trudeau responds...''my job is to stand up for Canadian workers, Canadian interests.."

The world lambasts trump. Trudeau lauded.

Some seriously f up shit..

Please quote anybody on the left that has stated that Trump is bad for standing up for US trade and labor.....please.

 

[Montecresto]

Libs: happy as long as other nations bend us over and treat us like they’re the boss.
To hell with American people and workers, competition, and foreign citizens who have to pay top dollar for common staples.

The fat ass TIC was deceitful in Canada pointing out Canada’s 270% tariffs on dairy products but omitting the fact that the US imposes a 350% tariff on tobacco products exported to them!

 

[ObamacareForever]

Really we have an official declaration of war?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

Farm subsidies exist as a Result of the rationing done during the previous two world wars. I realize lefty is not a good long term thinker and lives on immediate gratification but perhaps you should consider that people who lived through that want to make sure it is not repeated.

Farm subsidies exists a result of lobbying by special interest groups. The government is preparing anyone for war. They aren't buying and storing foods. They did from 1929-1933 and it was unsuprisingly, a giant clusterf*ck. Right now they are just redistributing wealth to a favored political constituency.

 

[PhilFish]

Please quote anybody on the left that has stated that Trump is bad for standing up for US trade and labor.....please.

I see you agree

Why all the complaints then?

 

[ObamacareForever]

I see you agree

Why all the complaints then?

He is picking winners and losers and he is being terribly dumb about it. He is choosing steel industry workers over consumers.

 

[PhilFish]

He is picking winners and losers and he is being terribly dumb about it. He is choosing steel industry workers over consumers.

He's prodding, hopefully spurring equitable outcomes..

 

[ObamacareForever]

He's prodding, hopefully spurring equitable outcomes..

The steel tariffs will cost jobs in the auto manufacturing industry. Why is an steel working job worth more than a Auto workers?

 

[Dino]

The fat ass TIC was deceitful in Canada pointing out Canada’s 270% tariffs on dairy products but omitting the fact that the US imposes a 350% tariff on tobacco products exported to them!

Tobacco is a highly regulated carcinogen. Milk is a staple of the Western Hemisphere.
There might be a more apt analogy?

 

[connieb]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

Farm subsidies exists a result of lobbying by special interest groups. The government is preparing anyone for war. They aren't buying and storing foods. They did from 1929-1933 and it was unsuprisingly, a giant clusterf*ck. Right now they are just redistributing wealth to a favored political constituency.

An authorization of military force is not a declaration of war.
Farm subsidies exist as a result of shortages and rations that happened during the world wars. Yes buying and storing didn't work so now they pay them for lack of production do they think stay inbusiness and keep prices stable and easily increase production in times of war.

They have been expanded yes and tied into other things. And they should be analyzed for those things but the idea itself is sound and necessary.

 

[PhilFish]

The steel tariffs will cost jobs in the auto manufacturing industry. Why is an steel working job worth more than a Auto workers?

Cant say. Should every type of job/industry/etc be negotiated/assessed for effect simultaneously? Has this been the case historically?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Tobacco is a highly regulated carcinogen. Milk is a staple of the Western Hemisphere.
There might be a more apt analogy?

This isn't the 1950's any more. Consumers on both sides of the border are well aware of the consequences of tobacco use. There is no need for tobacco tariffs. Consumers are perfectly capable of making their own informed decisions.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Cant say. Should every type of job/industry/etc be negotiated/assessed for effect simultaneously? Has this been the case historically?

It's called NAFTA. They updated and expanded it recently and called it the TPP.