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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Arkady, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Arkady

    Arkady President

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    In 2004, when Bush won, I posted to another forum what amounted to "well, you'll get what you deserve." Although things had already gone downhill for America since Bush took office in 2001, I predicted it was going to get a lot worse in his second term. I explained that I was positioned about as well as a person could be to weather that, but countless people who'd voted for him weren't, and I said they'd suffer terribly for their mistake.

    I ended up being much more right than I'd understood. The second Bush term was far worse than the first. It wasn't just that the bloodbath of Iraq would drag on, or that poverty would continue to rise and median incomes to fall, while budget deficits exploded. The next few years would see the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression, along with over a thousand people dying in the botched aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Over that four-year period almost everything got worse at a pace that even surprised people like me, who'd expected terrible things from Bush.

    I was also right about being well-positioned to weather the nightmare myself. Fairly wealthy, healthy, middle-aged, white, straight, and male, with little debt and almost no reliance on the government, the avalanche of bad news that smothered America for four years mostly missed me. I held onto my job, road out the housing market decline without ever going under water, and packed away some money with the help of the upper-class tax cuts.

    Yet, still, I found myself regretting what I'd posted on election night, as I was reminded, again and again, that it wasn't just about stupid, hateful people being hurt by the consequences of their own bad votes. Katrina didn't care who you voted for. Neither did an IED in Iraq, or the bank that foreclosed on your home. At one point, in those years, I survived a massive downsizing at my employer, and I watched some great people being shown the door-- people I knew for a fact had worked to spare the nation a second Bush term. Bad governance is indiscriminate in who it hurts.

    So, this time I won't post that you're going to get what you deserve. Things are likely to get bad, starting this morning with a massive stock devaluation. But the harm will come both to those who turned the gun to our head and pulled the trigger, and to those who fought their hearts out to stop the disaster.

    Now I've got to figure out how to break the news to my daughter. She'll mostly just be sad because "the girl" didn't win, and for a six-year-old child, that's a powerful source of identification. But she has also begun to understand simple policy questions. One of her friends is a little muslim girl whose family is from India. She told my daughter that if Trump is elected, her grandmother may not be able to come to visit anymore, since Trump has promised to shut down Muslims coming to America. Some of my daughter's favorite things in this world are the visits by my mother. So, for her, the idea of a president keeping a grandma and her granddaughter apart, because he doesn't like their religion, is the closest thing to evil her young mind is yet able to grasp.
     
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  2. Tell her Americans took their country back.

    And get over it
     
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  3. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Guest

    Even in defeat you still can't help but tell everyone how smart you are and how wrong everyone else is.

    Next time, don't nominate a crook. Hillary Clinton was the only person Donald Trump could have possibly beaten for the Presidency.
     
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  4. Makes up creative sob stories though.
     
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  5. Capitalist

    Capitalist Guest

    I could never lie to my little 4 year old daughter like that. It takes a real Satan to lie to little girls.
     
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  6. Drumcollie

    Drumcollie Ending Racism with or without Hillary

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    I find that I agree in part as usual the whole story is not told the second term of George Bush was riddled with debt because there was a democratic controlled House and Senate which did nothing to reduce the debt, Not only did he wind up raising the debt, then Obama took over and it got worse and to cover up the 10 trillion plus of debt by increasing taxes over 100 percent and then claiming that the deficits were being reduced, meanwhile more Americans were paying higher taxes and and the debt increased under Obama more than all the other Presidents put together.

    Once again this is an Arkady half the story. He fails to mention the Islamic woman who is now rejoicing because Trump won the election,. The Muslim Doctor who is praising God that Trump won. The Lebanese business man who will be able to hire more people when his taxes are reduced...And the multitudes who work in the service industries who now are struggling, but when corporate taxes are reduced will be flush with tips, revenue and work. The Alt left has mis- characterized the American people again. Division politics that claim a little Muslim girl is not going to see her Grandmother again because someone doesn't like their religion while Hillary Clinton engaged in similar behavior against the Catholic Church.

    That being said I expect a lot of division from the left as was during Obama's failed tenure, but there is no one to blame but Hillary Clinton...she boxed herself in to a small group of Washington insiders, Wall Street and called The American people irredeemable.
    She also cheated the American people , particularly the Bernie voters by having the DNC funnel money that belonged to the other Candidates. There were a lot of issues Criminal activity, rapists husband, Tim Kaine, John Podesta emails. Clearly Hillary should have dropped out and Biden should have run...Biden is an idiot but a genuine idiot. He would not have cheated like Hillary Clinton.
     
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  7. Alinvegas

    Alinvegas Trump in 2020

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    Blah, blah, blah...Class dismissed.
     
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  8. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-schiller-trump-victory-economy-20161109-story.html

    "The basic premise of economic modeling for election outcomes is that people vote their pocketbooks.

    "Or, as Bill Clinton put it: 'It's the economy, stupid' (which may not sound terribly reassuring to his wife). If the economy has been good, people don't seek out change; they are content with the party in power.

    "On the other hand, if the economy isn't delivering the growth and jobs that people expect, they want a change in leadership — a different party in the White House.

    "Unfortunately for Clinton, the Obama administration was able to deliver only six quarters of good news out of the 31 that it has presided over."

    IMHO, the last 25 years of neoliberal economic policies championed by the Clintons and Obama (and Trump, probably) explains why he won.

    I'm wondering if gun sales will decline or rise between now and next January?
     
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  9. Mr. Friscus

    Mr. Friscus I think, therefore, I poop

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    It produced horrible results indeed.
     
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  10. marvin martian

    marvin martian Senator

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    DJIA is up 280 right now.
     
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  11. SW48

    SW48 Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Arkady, we all enjoy your posts. Can you list maybe 10 or 20 factors that you look at to see if a president is doing a good job. That way we can periodically take a look at these factors and compare them to Obamas numbers.

    Thanks.
     
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  12. Jen

    Jen meh

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    Your post might carry more weight, @Arkady, if you waited and said "I told you so" when bad stuff happens (if it does) rather than make up a bunch of bad stuff that's going to happen and say "I told you so" before there's any reason to say it.

    And hey........... if you set your daughter up to win for "the girl" then I have no sympathy for you telling her that the girl lost. Your daughter will NOT have a life where everything always goes her way and if she does, she'll end up being like those snowflakes out there. That's a sad lil bunch.

    Kids need to learn how to lose as well as how to win.
     
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  13. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    Tell your daughter that her friend's grandmother might be an operative for a group of her fellow Muslims who cut off the heads of Little Christian boys and girls just like her; and hang gay and lesbian people because they are different from them. Tell her that President Trump just wants to stop some of them from coming into the country until they can be checked out and he can make sure they don't want to cut off the heads of everyone in your family.
     
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  14. Days

    Days Governor

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    I have terrible news for you. Trump will be good for the economy in the short run and good for the nation in the long run. If you don't believe that, just check out his initiatives...

    Here Is What Donald Trump Wants To Do In His First 100 Days
     
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  15. resident_evil

    resident_evil Senator

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    It's okay Arky's daughter is going to Harvard... or was it Yale.

    Yale professor lets students skip test in wake of Trump victory

    http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/yale-professor-lets-students-skip-test-in-wake-of-trump-victory/
     
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  16. resident_evil

    resident_evil Senator

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    I supposed this is how you throw a temper tantrum. Cool. I like it. :0)
     
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  17. Capitalist

    Capitalist Guest

    Now, compare that tripe to this tripe



    From the dog whistle of Van Jones to the ears of @Arkady
     
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  18. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    How will lowering tax rates on rich individuals and corporations be good for the economy or the nation?

    http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days

    "Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.":rolleyes:
     
  19. Queen Titania

    Queen Titania Senator

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    Oh there you are, I thought you had caught the first train, boat, bus or plane to Canada -
     
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