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Trump's 2020 health care plan revealed.

sensible don

Mayor
Supporting Member
So when Trump is asked in the debates about healthcare plans, he has to say OBAMACARE is his plan, he had 4 years to get rid of it but choose not to - right? So it will be interesting to see him and sleepy joe both tout the benefits of Obamacare.

I mean the only other plan he has mentioned doesn't come out UNTIL AFTER HE IS RE-ELECTED .........
 

RickWA

Senator
Gotta disregard these anti-liberty, Constitution-hating lefty collectivists who treat it as a presumptive foregone conclusion that ANY president should have a “healthcare plan” (aside from his own family’s coverage, of course). I don’t accept it as a given at all.

These pols need to just stay the frig out of our way and leave us alone.
 
Gotta disregard these anti-liberty, Constitution-hating lefty collectivists who treat it as a presumptive foregone conclusion that ANY president should have a “healthcare plan”
Presidential candidates should have policy agendas.
(aside from his own family’s coverage, of course). I don’t accept it as a given at all.
Telling someone they SHOULD have family coverage sounds like a resounding endorsement of the individual mandate.
 

RickWA

Senator
Presidential candidates should have policy agendas.

Telling someone they SHOULD have family coverage sounds like a resounding endorsement of the individual mandate.
Normal men take care of their families and ensure that they have what they need. Alien concept to moochers, slackers, and those who depend on others, I know.

Presidential agendas should not include forays into our lives. I know how to get my own insurance. What’s more, stating that a “health plan” is a presumptive part of a pols agenda is wrong. That is all.
 
Normal men take care of their families and ensure that they have what they need. Alien concept to moochers, slackers, and those who depend on others, I know.
Hence the individual mandate
Presidential agendas should not include forays into our lives. I know how to get my own insurance. What’s more, stating that a “health plan” is a presumptive part of a pols agenda is wrong. That is all.
If a president's health plan is to get the government out of it, then Trump needs to quit being a p*ssy and say it so we can all judge his garbage healthcare policies.
 

RickWA

Senator
Hence the individual mandate

If a president's health plan is to get the government out of it, then Trump needs to quit being a p*ssy and say it so we can all judge his garbage healthcare policies.
No mandate. I’d likewise state that normal men ensure their families are fed as well. Nothing to do with “mandates” or government. You really need to stop inventing stuff. It’s dishonest.

Agree regarding Trump being a wuss.
 
No mandate. I’d likewise state that normal men ensure their families are fed as well. Nothing to do with “mandates” or government. You really need to stop inventing stuff. It’s dishonest.
You don't want to mandate people take care of themselves?
No mandate is making allowances "moochers, slackers, and those who depend on others".
 

RickWA

Senator
You don't want to mandate people take care of themselves?
No mandate is making allowances "moochers, slackers, and those who depend on others".
Make your choices and live with them. Leave other people alone. Quite simple, really.

That this took you a three-post drill down is direct condemnation of our public school system.
 

RickWA

Senator
People without insurance go bankrupt just about every time they go to the hospital. Which drives up healthcare prices for me. Which isn't leaving me alone.
Going bankrupt/stiffing one who is owed is no different an impact on hospitals as it is to any other business. You shouldn’t be allowed to nationalize your economic fears about price point in any given industry. The fact that collectivists choose health care to make this very errant argument betrays the larger goal.

Leave folks alone, solve your own problems like a man.
 
Going bankrupt/stiffing one who is owed is no different an impact on hospitals as it is to any other business.
Except Hospitals rightfully can not turn away customers who can not pay. If hospitals are forced to give emergency care(which was the right thing to do), then patients should be forced to pay.
 

RickWA

Senator
Except Hospitals rightfully can not turn away customers who can not pay. If hospitals are forced to give emergency care(which was the right thing to do), then patients should be forced to pay.
The bankruptcy argument is about stiffing the hospital AFTER the bill is due. The ER argument is about hospitals being required to serve all who enter with a need.

GoalpostMcMovesalot.

One false argument at a time.

Each person should own his debt. Collectivists should not leverage the debt of others to form state policy coercing me. Just take care of you and yours and be a man.
 
The bankruptcy argument is about stiffing the hospital AFTER the bill is due. The ER argument is about hospitals being required to serve all who enter with a need.
You claimed that hospitals are not different than any other industry with regards to their bad debt. Which is false, Hospitals are mandated to service customers without regards to their ability to pay which gives them far more bad debt.



Each person should own his debt.
So repeal bankruptcy protections.
 

RickWA

Senator
You claimed that hospitals are not different than any other industry with regards to their bad debt. Which is false, Hospitals are mandated to service customers without regards to their ability to pay which gives them far more bad debt.




So repeal bankruptcy protections.
They are NO DIFFERENT once that debt is incurred and “bankruptcy” ensues. Now then, downstream obligation to serve irrespective of ability to pay is a DIFFERENT issue - which you chose to conflate.

Make individuals MORE responsible, not less so. Restrict medical debt from bankruptcy protection like some other categories of debt are if you like. Just leave other citizens alone and solve your own problems...like a man.
 
They are NO DIFFERENT once that debt is incurred and “bankruptcy” ensues. Now then, downstream obligation to serve irrespective of ability to pay is a DIFFERENT issue - which you chose to conflate..
Yes, In your world Hospitals should be forced to serve to customers who can not or will not pay. Not much for individual
Make individuals MORE responsible, not less so. Restrict medical debt from bankruptcy protection like some other categories of debt are if you like. Just leave other citizens alone and solve your own problems...like a man.
The problem with that a huge percentage of medical debt happens in the last 6 months of people's lives. People racking up a bunch of medical debt then dying is effectively the same thing as bankruptcy protections as far as creditors are concerned. Hence the individual mandate, so payment is guaranteed before their customers go dying.
 
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