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Trumps best accomplishment. Having the deep state expose themselves

Addy

Addy

Rebuild With Biden!
Mick said:
As a typical leftist you were unable to cite the facts with your assertion. You emotionally hate Barr, hate Trump, hate Republicans. Therefore, you are "disturbed" when Barr gets to the bottom of something. Though, the issue he is getting to the bottom of you don't want to discuss in detail. It's emotional, not factual.

I cited FACTS. Firings/demotions/resignations that have spun out of this. Use of a fraudulent document sourced to foreign nationals to meddle. Clinton paying for this document. Spying and investigating political enemies and using this as a basis.

See the difference between you and me, left and right? Barr SHOULD have someone investigate it. He would be derelict in his duties as AG if he did not. You've not provided one single scintilla of reasoning as to why Barr should not in light of the facts above.
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We sure have seen a lot of Trump's people resign/fired. One has to be a yes man to be in Trump's domain.
Trump projects his conspiracy theories all the time... we see it done very often by Trump's defenders here on PJ as well.
 
Mick

Mick

The Right is always right
Addy said:
We sure have seen a lot of Trump's people resign/fired. One has to be a yes man to be in Trump's domain.
Trump projects his conspiracy theories all the time... we see it done very often by Trump's defenders here on PJ as well.
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What does any of this have to do with the facts regarding obama's minions and their spying/investigating Trump in 2016/2017 posted above? Try staying on topic for once instead of this emotional to and fro swaying you're doing.
 
Addy

Addy

Rebuild With Biden!
Mick said:
What does any of this have to do with the facts regarding obama's minions and their spying/investigating Trump in 2016/2017 posted above? Try staying on topic for once instead of this emotional to and fro swaying you're doing.
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There's really a difference in the accusations... Since one of your repub brethren uses this site... I will as well. As noted-- GPS was trying to learn Trump's connection to Russia.
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How the two are different
Experts we spoke to described a range of differences between the type of information Trump said he would accept and what Clinton’s campaign was paying Fusion GPS for.

The main difference is the role of a foreign government.

"Working hand-in-hand with a foreign power for information intended to influence an election is different than hiring a private firm that then hired somebody who had been a former intelligence agent," said Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law.

"Everybody does opposition research," she added. "The issue here is the foreign government."

That distinction is critical, experts told us, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.
While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. "That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power," former CIA intelligence agent Glenn Carle said.

"One is collecting intelligence and the other is an active measure by a foreign power to achieve a political end of some sort," Carle said. "There’s no comparison at all."

A foreign government could also take measures that Steele, a private British citizen, would not have been capable of, said Max Bergmann, senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress and an expert on U.S.-Russia policy. Russia, for example, used its intelligence apparatus to hack the Clinton campaign and steal damaging information.
"Steele is not a member of the U.K. government, so it’s not like they (the Clinton campaign) were working with a foreign government that was trying to interfere in our election," Bergmann said. "They’re not in the same ballpark."
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2019/jun/13/how-pundits-defended-trumps-abc-interview-and-why-/
 
E

EatTheRich

President
JuliefromOhio said:
Putin is determined to undermine western democracies.
Trump is doing that for him in America by trashing all of our institutions, the bedrock of a democratic republic.

Trump Has bashed the FBI, the CIA, our Intel community, the Courts when a Judge is Mexican-American, the free press, cable networks that aren't FoxNews or OAN, etc.

Trump gets an A++ for following Putin's orders to undermine our democracy.
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The FBI and CIA are enemies of “our democracy,” even if Trump is too.
 
Mick

Mick

The Right is always right
Addy said:
There's really a difference in the accusations... Since one of your repub brethren uses this site... I will as well. As noted-- GPS was trying to learn Trump's connection to Russia.
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By trying to pass off and frame Trump with propaganda from Russian government sources that was obviously fake? LOL.

Addy said:
How the two are different
Experts we spoke to described a range of differences between the type of information Trump said he would accept and what Clinton’s campaign was paying Fusion GPS for.

The main difference is the role of a foreign government.

"Working hand-in-hand with a foreign power for information intended to influence an election is different than hiring a private firm that then hired somebody who had been a former intelligence agent," said Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law.

"Everybody does opposition research," she added. "The issue here is the foreign government."

That distinction is critical, experts told us, because a foreign government that interferes in American politics is likely to have a stake in what happens on Election Day.
While Russia’s meddling was intended to help Trump win, Steele was contracted by Fusion GPS to find out more about Trump’s ties to Russia. "That has nothing to do with a candidate soliciting something from a foreign power," former CIA intelligence agent Glenn Carle said.

"One is collecting intelligence and the other is an active measure by a foreign power to achieve a political end of some sort," Carle said. "There’s no comparison at all."

A foreign government could also take measures that Steele, a private British citizen, would not have been capable of, said Max Bergmann, senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress and an expert on U.S.-Russia policy. Russia, for example, used its intelligence apparatus to hack the Clinton campaign and steal damaging information.
"Steele is not a member of the U.K. government, so it’s not like they (the Clinton campaign) were working with a foreign government that was trying to interfere in our election," Bergmann said. "They’re not in the same ballpark."
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2019/jun/13/how-pundits-defended-trumps-abc-interview-and-why-/
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Cool opinion piece. So if Trump had paid for dirt from Russia that would be okay? ROFL. Think for two seconds.

And you are forgetting several key points. The Trump campaign received NOTHING from Russia so rambling on about it is completely meaningless. The Hillary Clinton campaign DID receive propaganda and lies from Russian government sources filtered through a foreign national in Britain who was attempting to meddle in a U.S. election. The fact Steele was trying to leak (and did successfully through a yahoo article) to impact the election should indicate to you his bias and what his efforts were. Either foreigners meddling is okay or not. You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth. When you get emotional and lose sight of the facts is when that commences.

And, finally, none of this gets to the heart of the issue here. It's once again your emotional effort to deflect from dealing with the facts. The fact is Obama minions used Russian government propaganda and lies filtered through a foreign national in Britain, which was obviously fake, as an excuse to investigate and spy on their political enemies. The same propaganda and lies paid for by Hillary Clinton. That is NOT alright....unless we live in a left wing banana republic. This is why many of these Obama minions have been fired, demoted, or resigned in disgrace as a direct result of misconduct. This is precisely the reason Bill Bar would be derelict in his duties if he did not have someone of the stature and respectability of John Durham investigate this and figure out what exactly all these fleeing rats were up to before they got the boot.

Try to address my last paragraph. You cannot because the facts are too damning in this case and support Barr's efforts. You know this and I know this. Now go cry about more left wing lies.
 
Winston

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
JuliefromOhio said:
The author is using the term "deep state" as the checks and balances that are built into our constitutional system.

"What Trump calls the “deep state” now is not what the “deep state” was in places like Turkey and Egypt, or even in the U.S., where it’s a variation on the old “military industrial complex.” He calls the professional bureaucracy the “deep state.” Well, that’s not true, except in the sense that by thwarting him, they’re doing their duty. They are patriots. They are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They work for the American people. They do not work for the White House. They are not paid by the White House, they are not hired by the White House. And thank goodness we have them."
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The deep state blew JFKs brains out, not Oswald, now they have their sights on Trump. Inform the secret service that I said so if you choose, they will read this anyway
 
J

Jen

Senator
PhilFish said:
He's pretty much a train wreck. But exposing the swamp and how widespread it is will be one of his lasting achievements
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If justice is served, Trump being the train wreck will be just something to smile about while his exposing the swamp for what it is will be lauded and applauded.
 
YouCantHandleDaTruth

YouCantHandleDaTruth

Governor
PhilFish said:
He's pretty much a train wreck. But exposing the swamp and how widespread it is will be one of his lasting achievements
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We agree ... Trump exposed himself ... most likely to children and no doubt his teenage daughter \ lover.

Everyone else who is sticking by him is being exposed too, as stupid and grifters.

Trump paid 25 million for running a fake college, 2 million for running a fake charity that involved military vets but everyone else around him is stupid to the cultist who like him.
 
PhilFish

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
YouCantHandleDaTruth said:
We agree ... Trump exposed himself ... most likely to children and no doubt his teenage daughter \ lover.

Everyone else who is sticking by him is being exposed too, as stupid and grifters.

Trump paid 25 million for running a fake college, 2 million for running a fake charity that involved military vets but everyone else around him is stupid to the cultist who like him.
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We agree. He's making excellent progress. With the exception of your pedophillic fantasies, which I respectfully ask that you keep me out of
 
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