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you are lying. where do you get this shit about hillary praising Assad? are you nuts?

Clinton talked about the developments Syria on CBS’ Face the Nation on March 27, 2011. Host Bob Schieffer pressed her on why the U.S. reaction would be different from its response to Libya with air strikes. Syria, Schieffer noted, is no friend of the U.S. as an enemy of Israel and ally of Iran, and Assad’s father had "killed 25,000 people, at a lick" in 1982.

Clinton said:

"Well, if there were a coalition of the international community, if there were the passage of a Security Council resolution, if there were a call by the Arab League, if there was a condemnation that was universal, but that is not going to happen because I don't think that it's yet clear what will occur, what will unfold.

"There is a different leader in Syria now. Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer.

"What's been happening there the last few weeks is deeply concerning, but there's a difference between calling out aircraft and indiscriminately strafing and bombing your own cities than police actions which, frankly, have exceeded the use of force that any of us would want to see."

So Clinton did refer to Assad as "a reformer." But she crafted the line as the opinion of "members of Congress of both parties," not her opinion. And she never defended (as Wallace said) Assad, instead saying in that interview that he "exceeded the use of force that any of us would want to see."

Two days later, Clinton addressed her comment at a press conference in London. She responded to a Wall Street Journal reporter’s question asking if it is her position that Assad is a reformer.

"I referenced opinions of others," Clinton said. "That was not speaking either for myself or for the Administration."

She said the administration deplored the Syrian crackdown on protesters and that it’s up to Syria’s leaders "to prove that it can be responsive to the needs of its own people."

Clinton went on. "We’re troubled by what we hear, but we’re also going to continue to urge that the promise of reform, which has been made over and over again and which you reported on just a few months ago – ‘I’m a reformer, I’m going to reform, and I’ve talked to members of Congress and others about that,’ that we hear from the highest levels of leadership in Syria – will actually be turned into reality," she said. "That’s what we’re waiting and watching for."

As the military crackdown on Syrians persisted and worsened, Obama and Clinton called on Assad to go. Clinton was interviewed in November 2011 for ABC News by Jake Tapper, who noted she "at one point seemed to have optimism that Assad was a reformer."

Clinton said, "Well, we had hoped so because there was a lot at stake, we wanted to see an agreement, for example, between Syria and Israel. That was something that people have been working on for 30 years. We heard what Assad said about what he wanted to do for reform. But when it came to it, in the Arab Spring and as people actually demanded some freedom and their rights, he responded, as we have seen, very violently.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jun/01/chris-wallace/chris-wallace-hillary-clinton-defended-syrias-assa/

BASHAR ASSAD
Bashar al-Assad is the 19th president of Syria. He entered office in 2000. As president, Assad is also commander-in-chief of the Syrian armed forces and regional secretary of the socialist Ba’ath Party in Syria. Born in 1965, Assad is the third son of the late Syrian president Hafez al-Assad, who held office from 1971-2000. Before replacing his father as president, Assad studied medicine at Damascus University, graduating as an opthamologist in 1988. He served in the Syrian Army for four years as a doctor. In 1992 he moved to London to continue his studies, but was called back to Syria when his older brother Bassel, who had been designated to replace their father as president, was killed in an automobile accident. Assad is married to Asma al-Assad, a British woman of Syrian origin. The couple has three children. Presidency 2000-2011 On June 10, 2000 Hafez al-Assad passed away, and on June 18, 2000 Bashar was appointed General Secretary of the ruling Ba’ath Party. Soon after, after running as an unopposed candidate for the presidency, he was elected to a 7 year term in office. At first, Assad was seen as a better alternative to his father by many Syrians. They hoped the well-educated younger Assad, with his background and exposure to the West, would bring about changes to the status-quo. Assad stated that democracy was “a tool to a better life,” but that it couldn’t be rushed into Syria. At first, Assad somewhat successfully helped Syria ease out of the economic troubles it was in at the end of the 90s. Modernization gradually entered the Syrian public and private spheres.

Syrian Civil War In 2011, inspired by other Arab Spring protests throughout the Middle East, waves of unrest began breaking out in Assad’s Syria, in time turning into the bloody Syrian Civil War. Many of the protesters were opposed to the totalitarian rule imposed by Assad’s ruling party, in place since the time his father took office. As the war progressed Assad began making fewer and fewer public appearances. Foreign countries and military groups began sending in support for either the Syrian Army or the rebels, turning the fighting into a proxy war.

from the Jerusalem Post - https://www.jpost.com/Tags/Bashar-Assad?page=2

Great! I'm glad you're up to speed now.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
What's wrong with Trump getting money from his properties?
Because my tax dollars shouldn't be spent for him to play golf and pay himself millions of tax dollars as he does it. He has exceeded Obama in golf playing even though he would be toooooooo busy to golf ! FACT
But, as has been shown on here, the 18% and shrinking base will clap and cheer as he stuffs the money in his pocket !
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
bullshit. the number of "troops" with the Kurds is less than any black ops mission. That is not a real combat presence, and only liars like Trump would say it was. The real deal is that our soldiers being with those Kurds kept Erdogan from attacking them, not because our 25-50 soldiers made that big a difference physically, but that he knew killing any American soldiers, even with Putin's bitch Trump as president, might cause Trump to act against Erdogan, a dictator he has praised openly many times.

and it is not the greatest economy in history, except maybe in unemployment numbers. but it was heading that way when trump took over anyway...goddamn..how about using some facts occasionally?

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Please do not post FACTS, it will only be met with deflection and a " Hillary " comment
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
The Obama had the most idiotic foreign policy in the history of the American presidency. The moron bowed to dictators all over the world, even gave MILLIONS of American tax dollars to a terrorist state (Iran). He CREATED ISIS. He armed them. He and the neocons (like the Bushes) left messes all over the Middle East for Trump to clean up.

Trump campaigned on this. Get us out of the Middle East. Get American soldiers OUT of harm's way unless it is something that benefits the United States. Trump pissed off neocons everywhere by being one of the original voices opposed to the Iraq War, when he was just THE DONALD.

And now, he is keeping yet ANOTHER campaign promise. If you REALLY want American boots on the ground defending a handful of Kurds, get the House of Nazis off their fat criminal asses and make them do their jobs, rather than the impeachment circle jerk they've been involved in for the past three years. Get them to pass a declaration of war and the Commander In Chief will send in shock and awe.

Right now, in addition to giving America the greatest economy in history and fixing our trade problems, Trump is keeping his promise on getting our troops out of harm's way. And now that Trump has made America the world's number one exporter of energy, perhaps the Middle East might be a little less important to the world.
Fixing trade problems ? WTF
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
I just read this. Not sure what to make of it. I'm kinda torn. Mostly, I want us out of Obama's war in Syria. Part of me says we shouldn't let this go unanswered.
That's why we shouldn't be in the Middle East at all. We end up in these endless quagmires. It's exactly the same with Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest of them. We need to stop limiting domestic energy production and get out of that entire hell hole
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
bullshit. the number of "troops" with the Kurds is less than any black ops mission. That is not a real combat presence, and only liars like Trump would say it was
Show the link Trump said that it was a real combat presence, or admit that you are the liar
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
because it leads him to protect the murdering Saudi prince, who Jared has business dealings with and the trump family in general. and it makes him become erdogan's little bitch, because he has some potential money to be made there, as well. and with Putin. EVERYTHING TRUMP DOES IS TO MAKE MORE MONEY FOR HIMSELF, OR IVANKA.
From the guy who's OK with Joe getting his son what is turning into a $166K a month job in the Ukraine with no knowledge of the Ukraine or the energy industry and $1.5 billion from China.

You're a joke, Jim. Hypocrisy clings to you like drool on a baby. And it's just as pretty
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Great! I'm glad you're up to speed now.
from 2011, just 8 years ago!! pretty damn relevant!! yeah, she and the other members of congress and even the jerusalem post were wrong about the English educated Assad being better, more liberal than his father. Gee, that never happens. but if you look at what i posted, she halfway defended him in 2011, even though the syrian atrocity brought up occurred in 1982 when he was not even an adult or in charge, and later in 2011, she and obama both called for him to resign after he responded so brutally to the Arab Spring Revolution, that occurred in almost all the oppressive muslim states, including Saudi Arabia.

do you remember how even JFK and the rest of the world was wrong about Fidel Castro being a more liberal leader of Cuba than the ousted Juan Batista?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
From the guy who's OK with Joe getting his son what is turning into a $166K a month job in the Ukraine with no knowledge of the Ukraine or the energy industry and $1.5 billion from China.

You're a joke, Jim. Hypocrisy clings to you like drool on a baby. And it's just as pretty
you are lying, where do you even get this shit about him having a 166 a month job? do you just enjoy making up lies? there is not a shortage of yale lawyers making 50K a month. and it did not hurt having biden's name. how do you think George Bush even got into Yale? but i guess that's different. and how did an average student like trump get into college? he is a dumbass, he cannot spell even simple words better than most of his dumbass voters and supporters!! and what 1.5 billion dollars in china? name something. you are just repeating hannity type bullshit that has no basis in reality, and never has.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
you are lying, where do you even get this shit about him having a 166 a month job? do you just enjoy making up lies? there is not a shortage of yale lawyers making 50K a month. and it did not hurt having biden's name. how do you think George Bush even got into Yale? but i guess that's different. and how did an average student like trump get into college? he is a dumbass, he cannot spell even simple words better than most of his dumbass voters and supporters!! and what 1.5 billion dollars in china? name something. you are just repeating hannity type bullshit that has no basis in reality, and never has.
China was an equity investment fund part owned by Biden.

The $50K was the minimum, he actually was paid a lot more, it varied by month. It was average about $166K and went up to $210K.

That Yale lawyers can make $50K a month evades the point that he had no experience in the Ukraine or energy. The Ukraine had nothing to get out of it but favoring Joe. That while you continue to rant about Ivanka.

I did like your whining that W got into Yale. Where did Chelsea go? Or Gore's five kids? Or Schumers? Grow up.

As for the rest of what the voices in your head wrote in your rant, it was hard to follow. Maybe you can take a breath and slow down
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
From the guy who's OK with Joe getting his son what is turning into a $166K a month job in the Ukraine with no knowledge of the Ukraine or the energy industry and $1.5 billion from China.

You're a joke, Jim. Hypocrisy clings to you like drool on a baby. And it's just as pretty
So why did Trump wait until NOW to do something about Biden - is he that scared of the double digit poll loss numbers ?
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
you are lying, where do you even get this shit about him having a 166 a month job? do you just enjoy making up lies? there is not a shortage of yale lawyers making 50K a month. and it did not hurt having biden's name. how do you think George Bush even got into Yale? but i guess that's different. and how did an average student like trump get into college? he is a dumbass, he cannot spell even simple words better than most of his dumbass voters and supporters!! and what 1.5 billion dollars in china? name something. you are just repeating hannity type bullshit that has no basis in reality, and never has.
Hannity is a god amoungst mortal men !
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
So why did Trump wait until NOW to do something about Biden - is he that scared of the double digit poll loss numbers ?
Why now is a game you can always play for anything. Funny how you never play that game for things you want to happen. But to answer your question, they have a new President, don't they? Someone who would possibly be interested in corruption, like bribing the Bidens?

Yes, the US and the Ukraine should both be investigating the hell out of the Bidens as should China. There's serious corruption there. It impacts everyone
 

reason10

Governor
bullshit. the number of "troops" with the Kurds is less than any black ops mission. That is not a real combat presence, and only liars like Trump would say it was. The real deal is that our soldiers being with those Kurds kept Erdogan from attacking them, not because our 25-50 soldiers made that big a difference physically, but that he knew killing any American soldiers, even with Putin's bitch Trump as president, might cause Trump to act against Erdogan, a dictator he has praised openly many times.

and it is not the greatest economy in history, except maybe in unemployment numbers. but it was heading that way when trump took over anyway...goddamn..how about using some facts occasionally?

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Trump never said anything about a combat presence. You can't call a man a liar by making up what he said.

Bottom line, it's not the job of the United States to play policeman in that sector of the world, no matter how badly Obama fcked it up. If the House Of Edited want those soldiers on the ground, it can vote for a declaration of war. Meanwhile, President Trump the most honest President in the history if America, has made good on yet another campaign promise. And he doesn't care if you like it or not. He only worries about people with jobs.
 
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reason10

Governor
because the bitch is corrupt, dishonest and incompetent. not just liberals oppose his awful corruption and being Putin's little bitch, which drives his abandonment of the Kurds and his attempts to allow pro-russian ukrainians to have more control in Ukraine, but everyone around the world who sees Putin and Erdogan as two corrupt immoral dictators and killers.
Everything you've just said is not only a lie, it is a lie that has been proven a lie by millions of dollars worth of Mueller witch hunts. You are not going to get away with changing the subject and lying just because you lost the argument.
 

reason10

Governor
So why did Trump wait until NOW to do something about Biden - is he that scared of the double digit poll loss numbers ?
Trump had nothing to do with Joe admitting to a crime on camera. And there was never a worry about a double digit loss in the general election of 2020. There's no way Biden could have won that race, not with his gaffes all over the place and not with the fact that he's running against the greatest economy in history that he and his idiot boss had nothing whatsoever to do with.

Biden was the most pitiful idea of a moderate the DemoEdited party has every come up with. The rest of the clowns are about as electable as the dead body of Nixon. Biden was going down in a landslide regardless of whether or not he bragged about bribery and extortion.
 
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Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
bullshit. the number of "troops" with the Kurds is less than any black ops mission. That is not a real combat presence, and only liars like Trump would say it was. The real deal is that our soldiers being with those Kurds kept Erdogan from attacking them, not because our 25-50 soldiers made that big a difference physically, but that he knew killing any American soldiers, even with Putin's bitch Trump as president, might cause Trump to act against Erdogan, a dictator he has praised openly many times.

and it is not the greatest economy in history, except maybe in unemployment numbers. but it was heading that way when trump took over anyway...goddamn..how about using some facts occasionally?

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Well, this one certainly does:

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Obama's part-time low wage jobs held a lid on wages.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Show the link Trump said that it was a real combat presence, or admit that you are the liar
i was responding to what reason 10 said, if you could follow a thread. here is what he said, that I was responding to-

reason10 said:


Trump campaigned on this. Get us out of the Middle East. Get American soldiers OUT of harm's way unless it is something that benefits the United States. Trump pissed off neocons everywhere by being one of the original voices opposed to the Iraq War, when he was just THE DONALD.

And now, he is keeping yet ANOTHER campaign promise. If you REALLY want American boots on the ground defending a handful of Kurds, get the House of Nazis off their fat criminal asses and make them do their jobs, rather than the impeachment circle jerk they've been involved in for the past three years. Get them to pass a declaration of war and the Commander In Chief will send in shock and awe.
 
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