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Ukraine Reopened Biden Probe Months Before Trump Call

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by SoccerMom, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. SoccerMom

    SoccerMom Mayor

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    Well there goes the Democrat's entire impeachment premise.

    New documents show the Ukraine had reopened a probe into Biden's dealings months before Trump made a phone call. LOL Documents are legal evidence, and it doesn't matter which news outlet provides them, for all you lefties waiting to pounce and dismiss this evidence because Fox broke the story. ROFLOL

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-...c-shows-significant-shift-in-factual-timeline
     
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  2. ObamacareForever

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    Calling it a "Biden probe" is a lie. Why so dishonest?
     
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  3. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    Key Point in this democrat created fairy tale (we are so so creative)

    That is a significant change in the timeline -- it was omitted from the whistleblower's complaint, and the question is did he not know it or did he exclude it because it didn't fit the narrative he was trying to write
     
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  4. SoccerMom

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    Calling it what it is, an investigation into what both Bidens did is exactly what it is.
    I realize these revelations are very inconvenient and troubling for you and your party, but facts are facts and they are being exposed rapidly.
     
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  5. SoccerMom

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    They redated the narrative at exactly the same time they changed the requirements for whistleblowers to have firsthand evidence.
    This is another coup attempt, nothing more and nothing less.
     
  6. voyager

    voyager Mr. October

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    You are late again. You should check the threads before you post the same crap.

    And by the way, not one word about Hunter Biden in any of the threads.

    You people are so easy to debunk.
     
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  7. voyager

    voyager Mr. October

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    Well, Dino... why don't you just show me then.
     
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  8. ObamacareForever

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    It's not an investigation into either of the Bidens. So there's that.
     
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  9. SoccerMom

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    Ah, so now you admit it?????? You've learned! Bravo! See, if it isn't an investigation into either Biden, then the Democrats have zero basis for an impeachment inquiry.
     
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    worldlymrb America: Love it or Leave it!

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  11. ObamacareForever

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    Except Trump wasn't calling for investigation into Burisma, he was calling for investigation into the Bidens.
     
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  12. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    that is just not true.
     
  13. llovejim

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    no, you are lying again. you never seem to actually use a source that is not up trump's ass. i wonder why?
    this stooge you quoted John Solomon is who trump believed when he first got a wild hair up his ass that he could bring down his chief political rival by getting Ukraine to find what Solomon was lying about!! the crowdstrike bullshit, the biden's son being a major player and decider at Burisma, especially 2 years before he even was hired, that biden or his kid have even been the subject of any ukrainian probe, even though the guy who owned and controlled burisma has...and sure, he might have hired biden because of his last name and as a possible buffer against any more investigations, since he knew Ukraine is so dependent upon american aid and military support, but that is not biden's fault or makes him guilty of any fraud the owner of the company might be involved in.

    why is this so hard to believe?
     
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    who said biden was a major player?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...h-profile-corruption-investigation-fell-apart
     
  15. SoccerMom

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    You are the one being lied to.
     
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  16. Nostra

    Nostra Governor

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    I love watching a good NOTHINGBURGER get served.
     
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  17. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    let us say that what you say is true. how does that change what we know trump said on his phone call bribing the Ukrainian President, and the text messages we have seen showing diplomats in the middle east being in on the extortion of holding up military aid until the Ukraine President came across? For a bribe to occur and be prosecuted, it doesn't have to be successful or even make any sense- whether it was necessary or not, Trump misused the power of his office for political reasons, and his personal attorney and State Dept. was in on it. That is what the facts clearly show.

    here is the text that proves it-

    Sondland Briefs Zelenskv Ahead of Call with President Trump: On July 19, 2019,
    Ambassador Volker, Ambassador Sondland, and Mr. Taylor had the following exchange
    about the Specific goal for the upcoming telephone call between President Trump and the Ukrainian President:

    [7/19/19, 4:49:42 Kurt Volker: Can we three do a call tomorrow?say noon


    [7/19/19, 6:50:29 Gordon Sondland: Looks like Potus call tomorrow. I spoke
    directly to Zelensky and gave him a full briefing. He's got it.

    [7/19/19, 6:52:57 Gordon Sondland: Sure!

    [7/19/19, 7:01 :22 Kurt Volker: Good. Had breakfast with Rudy this
    morning teeing up call Yermak Monday. Must have helped. Most impt is for
    Zelensky to say that he will help investigation and address any specific personnel issues if there are any


    Concerns about Ukraine Becoming an Instrument in US. Politics: On July 21,
    2019, Ambassador Taylor tagged President Zelensky's desire for Ukraine not to be used
    by the Trump Administration for its own domestic political purposes:

    [7/21/19, 1:45:54 Bill Taylor: Gordon, one thing Kurt and I talked about
    yesterday was Sasha Danyliuk's point that President Zelensky is sensitive about Ukraine being taken seriously, not merely as an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics.


    [7/21/19, 4:45:44 Gordon Sondland: Absolutely, but we need to get the
    conversation started and the relationship built, irrespective of the pretext. I am
    worried about the alternative.

    this is after the trump phone call on July 25


    19, 12:31 :06 Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

    [9/9/19, 12:34:44 Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this
    interview, Gordon.

    [9/9/19, 12:37:16 Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was right. I said
    we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward.
    Lets hope it works.

    [9/9/19, 12:47:11 Bill Taylor: As 1 said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

    5 hours later, after we know Sondland called Trump for guidance, he replied-

    19, 5:19:35 Gordon Sondland: Bill, I believe you are incorrect about
    President Trump's intentions. The President has been clear no quid pro
    quos of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly
    going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised
    during his campaign (but all Trump talked about is investigating the Bidens) I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have
    concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or a call to discuss them directly.

    there is even more damning direct paper trail evidence shown here on this link that was provided to the House Intelligence Committee...it clearly shows Trump, Giuliani, Pompeo, all state dept. workers in the region, using military assistance as a stick to get an investigation of the Bidens.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ormer-u-s-envoy-ukraine-n1062351?icid=related
     
  18. llovejim

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    no, you are lying. no whistleblower requirements have been changed. you believe right wing bullshit no matter how many times you are shown to be gullible and easily played.

    Fact check: Were whistleblower rules changed before Ukraine ...

    https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › politics-news › fact-check-were-whis...

    Sep 30, 2019 - But the law hasn't changed, and there is no requirement that whistleblowers stick to first-hand information in their complaints precisely because ...
    Trump's false claim that the rules for whistleblowers were ...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/09/30 › trumps-false-clai...

    Claim: “WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES JUST BEFORE SUBMITTAL OF THE FAKE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORT? DRAIN THE SWAMP!”
    Claimed by: Donald Trump
    Fact check by Washington Post: Four Pinocchios

    Were the Whistleblower Rules Changed? Fact Checking ...

    https://fortune.com › 2019/10/01 › whistleblower-rules-changed-laws

    Oct 1, 2019 - TRUMP: "The so-called 'Whistleblower' has all second hand information. ... No whistleblower law was changed and nothing under that law ...

    Watchdog, experts debunk Trump claim whistleblower rules ...

    https://abcnews.go.com › Politics › story

    Oct 1, 2019 - WHO CHANGED THE LONG STANDING WHISTLEBLOWER RULES ... “The law has never said that a whistleblower couldn't have second ...
    Donald Trump's false claim about a change in whistleblower ...

    https://www.politifact.com › truth-o-meter › statements › oct › donald-trump

    Claim: "Longstanding whistleblower rules (were changed) just before submittal of the fake whistleblower report."
    Claimed by: Donald Trump
    Fact check by PolitiFact: False

    Facts Matter: Whistleblower rules weren't recently changed

    https://www.dailyherald.com › news › facts-matter-whistleblower-rules-were...

    5 days ago - Contrary to claims, whistleblower laws weren't changed just before ... This language is not in an online form that has only recently been ...
    Fact check: Trump and other Republicans falsely claim ...

    https://www.cnn.com › 2019/09/30 › politics › donald-trump-inspector-gene...

    Sep 30, 2019 - ... tweeted a conspiracy theory suggesting the rules for whistleblowing had recently changed ... falsely claim whistleblower rules changed just before Ukraine complaint .... Susan Rice on Trump: What is he smoking? .... The ICIG cannot add conditions to the filing of an urgent concern that do not exist in law." ...
    No Hearsay Rule Change for Whistleblowers - FactCheck.org

    https://www.factcheck.org › 2019/10 › no-hearsay-rule-change-for-whistle...

    Claim: Whistleblower rules were changed to allow a complaint alleging misconduct by the president to be forwarded to Congress based only on secondhand information.
    Claimed by: Donald Trump
    Fact check by FactCheck.org: False
     
  19. Nostra

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    That's all you needed to say.
     
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