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Unions know so much about running businesses

OldGaffer

Governor
Do I want my house wired by a master electrician from the union, or some guy off the street that is self taught? Let me think.
 
A master electrician is a master electrician and has passed the exams and met all the requirements to qualify as a "master" regardless of union or lack of union affiliation.
 

NightSwimmer

Senator
You misunderstand, Lupe. Management is supposed to have expertise in running businesses. Unions, on the other hand, have expertise in providing labor. That is why it is so absurd to attempt to pin the failure of a business upon the labor unions. Businesses don't fail because the labor is no longer being accomplished. They fail when management can no longer devise a workable plan for making profit.
 
Unions, on the other hand, have expertise in providing labor.
BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Right.

That's why they came on down to try to UNIONIZE the biggest employer in my county, Snap On Tools.

Snap On tools already had employees, and those employee were (and still are) non union.

They almost had a riot as the Union organizing thugs were following workers home and intimidating them. It all ended with three Union thugs getting shot, by a worker one of whom was killed.

They haven't been back since.

By the way, the worker who shot them.....was found not guilty.
 
Let's see.. The Union at Hostess demanded two people on each of Hostess's delivery trucks, one to drive one to unload, when one person could have done both jobs. Then they wouldn't let Hostess deliver bread and snacks on the same truck, requiring two trucks when one would have sufficed.

The union went out on strike to force Hostess into meeting their demands. Needless to say, Hostess is no more and 18,000 workers lost their jobs.

Unions have successfully destroyed Detroit, they have successfully bankrupted GM and Chrysler, they have destroyed public education by protecting crappy teachers jobs, always using the threat of a STRIKE if companies or municipalities don't meet their demands. They have to GO; and the sooner the better.
 
The Union at Hostess demanded two people on each of Hostess's delivery trucks, one to drive one to unload, when one person could have done both jobs.

I believe that is what one poster called "expertise" in providing labor"
 

connieb

Senator
That is rather funny since most union shops don't do residential, mostly because they can't compete. And, the only union electricians I know are not actually licensed electricians. See, they only need to have so many licensed ( that would be a Master's license) on any one job. So, most of the guys who are actually stringing the wires are doing so under someone else's licenses.

Where as in most states to have a home improvement licenses, you actually have to have a higher % of your employees have their master licenses because you have to have a master supervising on every job. And, since many small residential jobs are one man jobs, that generally means the guy they have to send out is the one who has the master license. So, if you walk into a Electrical Union hall and ask for some electrical work... chances are you are more likely to get an less qualified person than if you call any electrical service in the phone book.

connie
 

connieb

Senator
Sounds like the union wasn't either. I wonder if they asked those union members now if they would rather be completely out of work... or would they rather be driving around both bread and snacks in the same truck, or driving and unloading their own truck. Sounds like management ultimately called their bluff - and well management is walking away with bonus's and the average worker is unemployed. Sounds like the union did an excellent job here.



connie
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Do I want my house wired by a master electrician from the union, or some guy off the street that is self taught? Let me think.
There ARE no master electricians in the Union. They don't need them. There are some Journeymen who are actually licensed by the state or local jurisdictions; there are some designated Journeymen (usually dumbasses who curry favor with the leadership by going out to legitimate businesses and trying to infiltrate (called Salting) them to either organize for the Union or, if that fails, to sabotage the jobsites) and then there are Apprentices (fuckers too stupid to work at McDonald's). The only need for a master electrician license is if you want to start an electrical contracting bussiness; and the company provides that for its own purposes.
 

888888

Council Member
and what a company can and can not afford. It is amazing that they have not started their own businesses to generate revenue through commerce.
They can't, it ain't legal to use that money? A union member can start their own, and many do using their own money.
But why are companies who claim to be hurting not willing to share the books with the workers/unions?

I can tell you this though, several times a company has come to me asking for something which I told them wouldn't be helpful to them and were right back the next time asking for it to go away and lets do something else. Many times I even told them what the outcome would be, and dam if I wasn't right almost every time. A few times I made such a good case to them they finally understood and either dropped it or asked for something that would help along the lines we told them made more sense.
 

888888

Council Member
There ARE no master electricians in the Union. They don't need them. There are some Journeymen who are actually licensed by the state or local jurisdictions; there are some designated Journeymen (usually dumbasses who curry favor with the leadership by going out to legitimate businesses and trying to infiltrate (called Salting) them to either organize for the Union or, if that fails, to sabotage the jobsites) and then there are Apprentices (<img src=images/smilies/animated/censored.gif>ers too stupid to work at McDonald's). The only need for a master electrician license is if you want to start an electrical contracting bussiness; and the company provides that for its own purposes.
Is that right Jack, we had a master Plumber and a master electrician where I worked. If you don't the electricians can not hook up any thing to dirrect power without someone with a masters lic to inspect it. So once again, you know JACK SHIT.

Maybe in those Red states any yahoo like you could do anything they wanted, but not states where the people are more important than the profits.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
They should have made you CEO since you is so smart.


They can't, it ain't legal to use that money? A union member can start their own, and many do using their own money.
But why are companies who claim to be hurting not willing to share the books with the workers/unions?

I can tell you this though, several times a company has come to me asking for something which I told them wouldn't be helpful to them and were right back the next time asking for it to go away and lets do something else. Many times I even told them what the outcome would be, and dam if I wasn't right almost every time. A few times I made such a good case to them they finally understood and either dropped it or asked for something that would help along the lines we told them made more sense.
 

888888

Council Member
BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Right.

That's why they came on down to try to UNIONIZE the biggest employer in my county, Snap On Tools.

Snap On tools already had employees, and those employee were (and still are) non union.

They almost had a riot as the Union organizing thugs were following workers home and intimidating them. It all ended with three Union thugs getting shot, by a worker one of whom was killed.

They haven't been back since.. By the way, the worker who shot them.....was found not guilty.
Yep those right wingers are a real peaceful bunch. But get real guy, I have been on many organizing trips and never once did I or anyone with us ever have a problem. And if you knew squat shit, they only go to people who have signed cards, Thats how they know if they have the support to follow through, as most unions won't even follow through unless they have between 2/3's and 3/4 of the workers wanting a Union. Once they file the paperwork the union can only set up meetings outside the property. The company has their ear 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week for like 60 days.

Snap on tools are one of the highest price tools around, wonder what the workers get paid?
 

degsme

Council Member
Seems that Unions also know how to run a business out of business.
Really? What business and how? (hint GM's total cost of labor was within $10hr of Toyota's non-union labor, and GM was including design engineers in that and Toyota wasn't)

GM just built cars that sucked for way too long.

So lets here what business unions have run out of business and how?
 

degsme

Council Member
and what a company can and can not afford. It is amazing that they have not started their own businesses to generate revenue through commerce.
They have. They market and sell labor capital. yes and?

BTW Unions often know more about running the business than the Execs precisely because Unions are actually doing the work and know where the bottlenecks are.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Any word why the worker was unable to deliver lethal shots to the other two goons?

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Right.

That's why they came on down to try to UNIONIZE the biggest employer in my county, Snap On Tools.

Snap On tools already had employees, and those employee were (and still are) non union.

They almost had a riot as the Union organizing thugs were following workers home and intimidating them. It all ended with three Union thugs getting shot, by a worker one of whom was killed.

They haven't been back since.

By the way, the worker who shot them.....was found not guilty.
 
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