ObamacareForever
Senator
How do you think salaries should be determined if not by the free market?
Walmart boss earns 1,200 times as much as the company’s median worker
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Drumcollie
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A workers union party for socialists like you...NSDAP.
Drumcollie
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Best way to earn money is by selling uranium to the Russians.
ObamacareForever
Senator
That didn't answer the question. It's purely an opinion question. Try again. How do you think salaries should be set if not by the free market?
Drumcollie
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Some lady sells Uranium to the Russians then she becomes President then dictates what you can have and no you wont have a salary but credits, and you stand in line to get toilet paper.
ObamacareForever
Senator
Ok, so let me this straight. You want the government dictating people's salaries?
Emily
NSDAP Kanzler
Wow. That could not be any more wrong.
EatTheRich
President
The NSDAP was anti-union ... their German Labor Front was the equivalent of a company union.
Drumcollie
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Hitler was a socialist, Joesph Goebbels was a socialist.
Emily
NSDAP Kanzler
mmm, false equivalence.
They were National Socialists. Vewy diffwent.
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Mayor
I DO want salaries to be determined by the free market. But we have to realize that such a system has many flaws and results in millions of rich people who have jobs of no social value. I'm a capitalist but i don't think it's perfect. THINK
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Mayor
BS - the nazis were fascists and so are ordinary socialists. All socialists hate freedom and want govt in charge of everything.
ObamacareForever
Senator
So you aren't really a free market capitalist. You want to personally pick and choose the winners and losers based on your own determination of what constitutes "social value".
Obviously they are adding value to someone's life. That's why people pay them giant salaries.
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Mayor
Publishers of child porn also add "value" to someone's life. That's why people buy their products. Do you really think that justifies child porn? THINK
ObamacareForever
Senator
False equivalence, child porn is illegal. Being a banker, or a CEO, or an athlete, or an entertainer are not illegal, not even unethical. It's not the same.
Emily
NSDAP Kanzler
National Socialism is not the same as Marxism, Fabian/Democratic Socialism, or modern "progressive" socialism.
National Socialism is authoritarian, as is fascism. Also like fascism, a NS government takes a strong hand in developing the economic and cultural life of the nation. The similarities end at those broad strokes. "Fascist" has become an all-purpose epithet for shutting down the expression of opposing views (just like "racist") but the facts are more subtle.
Please take a few moments to look at a FAQ article about NS and the platforms of modern American NS organizations. They can help dispel your misconceptions.
https://fuhrerious88blog.wordpress.com/what-is-national-socialism/
http://theamericanfreedomparty.us/platform/
http://www.americannaziparty.com/platform/index.php
http://www.nsm88.org/25points/25pointsengl.html
In case you're uncomfortable going to NS internet sites (though you shouldn't be as there's nothing unlawful about them), here are some quotes regarding economic ideas (which is the topic of this thread)...
"...an economic system in which a nation’s government plays a central role in monitoring all banking, trade, production, and labor activity which takes place within the nation. Such monitoring is done for the sole purpose of safeguarding & advancing the nation and its people. ... In other words, the government asks, “Is XYZ Enterprises good for our nation and our people?” If yes, it’s approved. If no, it’s not approved. When they ask, “Is it good?”, they mean, “Is XYZ Enterprises good for the workers, do they pay a fair wage, do they produce a product or provide a service which advances our nation & our people technologically, morally, spiritually, health-wise, etc???”" "...usury is not allowed ... The government issues/prints money and lends it interest free, as needed, to grow the economy and ultimately serve the citizens." "...encourages respect for the environment..."
... and about the overall political outlook relative to democracy ...
"National Socialists reject the Establishment’s false democracy, in which the illusion of a people’s government is bolstered by a controlled system of “choices” that all invariably lead to the same end. ... National Socialism does not endorse tyranny; that is, a political apparatus that functions contrary to the interests of the people. National Socialism endorses the “leadership principle,” the idea that a nation is best governed by those most capable of guiding their fellow citizens and providing for their common needs and wants."
These two images, while hardly giving the whole picture, summarize in Hitler's own words (in translation) what the Socialism means in National Socialism:
Our choices aren't between only left (which the right loves to call "nazi" and "fascist") or right (which the left loves to call "nazi" and fascist"), capitalism or Marxism, no borders or race-hate, democracy or tyranny. There's another way.
Queen Titania
Senator
They were anti-communism and the communists ran the unions.
Queen Titania
Senator
The National Socialists brought in the 40 hour week - a paid for two week holiday for everyone every year, including cruises and hols abroad. The best working conditions that any workers have ever had in the world before or since -ie depending on the size of the work forces, in every work place there had to, by law, be recreation facilities for the workers during break time - ie a swimming pool in the larger factories - a decent home for all being a 'human right'. Help for mothers and young children in health and in money. Farms to bee kept in the family, handed down through the generations, assured. In country money with out interest rates - no interest rates allowed by the banks. The first laws protecting the environment and against animal cruelty - the first PR movements against smoking...... I could go on and speak abut the push for healthy food, in and outside concentration camps and prisons..... I could go on ie no segregation or discrimination in the military forces --- I could go on ...... They took their country back - that was their only crime.
Queen Titania
Senator
And here is the rub - Do we think we are civilized? If so then we must think that we live in civilizations. But that cannot be true because civilizations are so structured as to make sure that all of our civilian population is cared for. Otherwise we are not civilized. Ie the Roman Citizens all had rations and monies from the Republic's purse because the republic made profit - as do our respective 'civilizations' - so where do those profits go? Those profits which should profit us citizens of our respective lands?
The private Bankers who now rule the roost for their own profit = unfair wages paid not for the betterment of our civilizations but -------------whom?
ObamacareForever
Senator
Nope, it was genocide.
