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Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by Wahbooz, May 8, 2016.

  1. The Sage of Main Street

    The Sage of Main Street Governor

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    Hard Hats Beat Up the Hard Left

    Union workers despise the New Age agenda of the Preppy Progressives. They instinctively know that what you think of as Liberals are spoiled snobs spawned by the university, which is an obsolete aristocratic institution designed specifically for those living off an allowance.
     
  2. Wahbooz

    Wahbooz Governor

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    Hahahahaha, you are really getting desperate. And you are so unbelievably wrong.
     
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  3. Wahbooz

    Wahbooz Governor

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    You see, here's the problem, Luke. You've overdosed on the koolaid, and so when a Republican, and his agendas, do not succeed in doing what he and you say will happen, he instantly turns into a 'progressive'. I don't have that problem. I'm not tied to either a Republican or a Democrat. I look at the candidate, his objectives, his successes, his failures, and make my decisions that way. This bull about conservative and liberal is just that, bull. Virg Bernero, even though he ran as a Democrat, did more 'conservatively', to me, to resolve Lansings issues than Snyder has for the state. It's not a matter of whether Snyder is a 'conservative' or a'liberal', it's a matter of whether he has any business sense at all; and the way he ran Gateway shows he didn't. So go play your 'conservative' and 'liberal' game to your hearts content.
     
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  4. MaryAnne

    MaryAnne Governor

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    Granted, Henry Ford paid his workers well to keep them. But he also knew those workers would be able to afford the product they built.

    Note here, Henry Ford promised my Grandfather that he would have a life time job if he would come back to the DT&I railroad he bought to transport his cars. Henry was a man of his word. He retired after 50 years with the company.

    I love how all these experts that never even knew Henry Ford know what he was thinking. Henry Ford was a product of the times when Unions were being created. Like other smart men he shared with his Employees. Much like John Patterson, founder of NCR. The Ford family has been smart enough to follow the Founder. Other large companies did not.
     
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  5. MaryAnne

    MaryAnne Governor

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    Even I knew Romney was in that group. And Granholm.
     
  6. MaryAnne

    MaryAnne Governor

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    There is not the slightest comparison of Bush and Obama.
     
  7. MaryAnne

    MaryAnne Governor

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    That is because they do not have the income to buy products.
     
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  8. Lukey

    Lukey Senator

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    And I support all that whole heartedly. Note that it was done voluntarily!

    What I do NOT support is government requiring it and overseeing it. That's when you get economic stagnation - like now.
     
  9. resident_evil

    resident_evil Senator

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    This is a chicken and egg debate and clearly the argument that the egg came first won and your saying it was the chicken is simply just late bird no worm stuff.
     
  10. Lukey

    Lukey Senator

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    Keynesian economic policies - check!

    Over regulation - check!

    Bloated government spending - check!

    Warmongering - check!

    Oligarchs getting ever richer - check!

    Middle class losing ground - Check

    They look pretty much the same to me...
     
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  11. MaryAnne

    MaryAnne Governor

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    My question to you, Lukey is where are the Unions that created the middle class,along with smart men like Henry Ford and John Patterson?

    Do you think that just might be a good share of the reason for the shrinking middle class? Hmm?
     
  12. Wahbooz

    Wahbooz Governor

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    He even provided profit sharing, which was unheard of back then.
     
  13. Wahbooz

    Wahbooz Governor

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    I get a real kick out of people claiming Michigan was run by Democrats, when the majority were Republicans.
     
  14. Wahbooz

    Wahbooz Governor

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    Huh? So you want product to be produced, and then wait for a buyers market to be created? Is this what you're saying?
     
  15. resident_evil

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    The reality is that you produce something that someone somewhere can afford. To do that you hire people and pay them once something has been sold. They then have money to buy your products or somebody else's. Just giving everybody a million dollars doesn't make them "millionaires" in the end.
     
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  16. Lukey

    Lukey Senator

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    Unions didn't "create the middle class." The entrepreneurs who created the products and services and their businesses that employed the union members and provided the payroll "created the middle class." You guys are anti-capitalist so you have a labor/consumer focus and you hate the producers. But, as we have seen with the past seven years of the Obama anti-capitalist agenda, that doesn't help the middle class. In fact it hurts it:

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    So instead of telling business people how to invest in what and how to run their companies, the working and middle classes do better when the economy is growing, which it hasn't done under these kinds of Obamunist edicts, so we should deregulate and shrink government to get the economy moving. And again, I have no problems with the concepts of participatory management, profit sharing, even ESOPs, etc. What I have a problem with is government trying to force them on everyone and the economy stagnating as a result.
     
  17. MaryAnne

    MaryAnne Governor

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    Bull, Lukey! You n Ed to read your history and you will find that Unions forced other companies to give decent wages so they would not lose Employees.

    I can remember Unions fopighting the companies to get decent benefits for Employees.

    The founders of other companies hated Ford with a passion. They were forced into it. Company owners did not give it from the goodness of their hearts.

    Now you can see with the demise of those Unions just how far the middle has fallen while idiots complain about Unions and vote for the very people that are destroying them!
     
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  18. Lukey

    Lukey Senator

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    Exactly! Ford increased wages and benefits and working conditions in order to get a leg up on his competitors! And then they were forced to follow suit because of the robust market for workers in a high growth environment. And unions took advantage of that to extract even better wages and benefits and working conditions.

    LOL! Even when you lefties have the right answer staring you in the face (and you can clearly see it), you still have to default to your anti-capitalist stance and pretend it is different that what you so obviously see. Look around you now - the economy isn't doing so hot under Obamunism. This isn't rocket science...
     
  19. Wahbooz

    Wahbooz Governor

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    What are you talking about, who the hell said anything about giving out a million dollars? And your reasoning so flawed it stinks. Produce goods, and then wait for people to be given a million dollars to buy products? The essence, which seems to have flown right over your head, is that for people to be contributors to an economy, they have to have a decent wage. Now where the hell did you get anything you said out of that????? Are you that desperate, or are you really that dumb?
     
  20. Lukey

    Lukey Senator

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    Moronic logic alert! How do you "produce goods" without creating wealth that can be used to purchase goods? The idea that someone must be "given" the money to buy the products being produced is not only communistic, it turns 10,000 years of history of economic commerce on its head.
     

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