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What did Barr really say about the “collusion” issue?

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Bugsy McGurk, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Ever since Barr released his first hackjob letter about the Mueller report, Trump and his sycophants have contended that Barr (and Mueller) found “no collusion.” That’s nonsense, of course.

    Here’s what Barr’s letter really says, quoting Mueller:

    “As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

    Lots of important words in there. Let’s break them down...

    1. Did the evidence “establish” a “conspiracy or coordination”? That’s not to say there was no such evidence. The quote merely states that the evidence did not “establish” such a finding.

    2. Was any such conspiracy or coordination “with the Russian government”? Collusion efforts with Russians, such as the Trump Tower meeting, may or may not have been with “the Russian government.”

    3. Did any such collusion involve the Russian government’s “election interference activities”? Taking the example of the Trump Tower meeting again, it’s possible that Mueller found that there was “collusion,” but that it was not connected to Russia’s “election interference activities.”

    Needless to say, Barr’s hackjob letter does not address any of these questions. It cherry picks sentence fragments designed to mislead the public and mollify Dear Leader Trump. The words do not say there was “no collusion” - they are very carefully written and narrow. But, ever since Barr released his hackjob letter, that has been the narrative.

    And now we will see what parts of the Mueller report Barr “allows” us to read. Will the above questions be answered? Will any questions be answered? All we know at this point is that the Special Counsel law was written to take political appointees out of the process of investigating a president, and we now have a president’s stooge making these decisions.

    Just another day in the Orwellian Banana Republic of Trumplandia.
     
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  2. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    Keep hope alive you useful idiot.
     
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  3. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    The post is not about “hope” - it’s about what Barr’s letter actually says, as opposed to all the lying from Trump and you Trump cultists.

    As to the thread issue, you clearly have nothing sensible to say.
     
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  4. UPNYA2

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    Lets replace the "crime" being investigated and the people involved, see if that may help cut through your Trump hate driven delusion, shall we?
    Lets say there is suspicion that your mother is a "street -walker". "A "hooker".
    Lets say this is to be investigated.
    Lets say it is and the result of the investigation gives us nothing to say a crime was committed.

    Lets say that the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish the individual(s) investigated were ever paid to have sex by any of the johns involved in the investigation.

    Good news, right?
    Wellllllllllllllllllll………………….. Not so fast...………….

    See, there are lots of important words in there. Let’s break them down...

    1. Did the evidence “establish” “prostitution”? That’s not to say there was no such evidence. The quote merely states that the evidence did not “establish” such a finding.

    2. Was any such sex for money “with the investigated johns”? Physical sex with the johns, such as a documented Motel 6 meeting, may or may not have involved an exchange of sex and money.

    3. Did any such possible sexual activity involve the investigated johns “exchanging money for sexual activities”? Taking the example of the Motel 6 meeting again, it’s possible that investigators found that there was “prostitution,” but that it was not connected to the investigated johns “sexual activities.”

    Needless to say, the investigators superior's hackjob letter does not address any of these questions. It cherry picks sentence fragments designed to mislead the public and mollify Dear Bugeye. The words do not say there was “no prostitution” - they are very carefully written and narrow. But, ever since the investigators superior released his hackjob letter, that has been the narrative for Bugeye.

    But now we all want to see what parts of the report everyone is “allowed” us to read. Will the above questions be answered? Will any questions be answered?

    The fact is his mom has had sex. (Hence her little bugeyed bundle of joy, right)?
    She in fact did or does walk the streets.
    She in fact did or does have on her person everything required to have performed such actions.
    She has in fact received money from another at some time.
    So knowing all of this, can Bugeyes mother STILL be referred to as a hooker despite an investigation report that did not say she could?


    And, as for THIS sh it, "All we know at this point is that the Special Counsel law was written to take political appointees out of the process of investigating a president, and we now have a president’s stooge making these decisions.", all I can say to that is, HUH????????

    The special Counsel Law as written is what tells us who the report is given to, the AG.
    EVERY AG EVER, has been "a political appointee.
    Appointed by the President and approved by the Congress.

    So who in the hell is it you "feel" these reports should be given to then?



    Just another day in the new United States of the Deranged.
     
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  5. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    It's all about hope, blind hope and the continued denial of reality by the Left.

    Sad actually.
     
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  6. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    You waste all that time yapping about inapt “analogies” instead of just addressing the thread topic.

    Let me know if you have something to say on the topic.
     
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  7. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Repeating your noise does not make it sound better.

    Looks like discussing the topic is just beyond your abilities.
     
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  8. PhilFish

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    I thought it also says 'did not'
     
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  9. JuliefromOhio

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    Rep Adam Schiff takes us through how we got to AG Barr's handling of the Mueller report:

    The precedent now is if you are a president under investigation, you can fire the FBI director who is conducting that investigation. If your attorney general will not ignore the advice of ethics lawyers and intervene on your behalf, you can fire the attorney general. You can then hire a new attorney general who has written to you about how he thinks the case against you is bogus and then that person can get confirmed by the Senate of your party even without requiring that that attorney general recuse himself. And then in place, that attorney general can do exactly what he was hired to do and make the obstruction of justice case go away. And also prevent the Congress from seeing the results, the full results of that investigation. That’s what I mean. That’s what Roy Cohen would do and, sadly, this is where we are only two years into this presidency.

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/0...ystematically-destroying-the-rule-of-law.html
     
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  10. UPNYA2

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    You mom is a hooker?

    Nothing out there says otherwise, right? Then if anyone believes it is so it must be so.

    Odd "logic" in my opinion but hen again it isn't as if anyone should expect anything different from di ms I suppose...…...
     
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  11. JuliefromOhio

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    “As the report states: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

    What's missing?
    The symbol [T]…...means the beginning of the sentence is missing.
     
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  12. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    I have discussed these topics with you, several have. What difference does it make.. you just continue lying.
     
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  13. Sickofleft

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    Nothing like the hateful loser tears of a bed wetting sycophant like Adam Schiff.

    If he had any integrity he would not only resign his chairmanship but of Congress all together.
     
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  14. Nostra

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    Schiff is a hack moron.
     
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  15. Winston

    Winston Do you feel lucky, Punk

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    There is no collusion issue, its allowed
     
  16. UPNYA2

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    Not that I am under any illusion that you, weepy-eyed Adam here or any di m/li b for that matter, actually give 2 shi ts about the truth or facts but I am going to share some with you anyway. Do with it what you will, learn from it or more likely ignore it, I'm still putting it out there.

    1) "The precedent now is if you are a president under investigation, you can fire the FBI director who is conducting that investigation."

    The fact of the matter is that the precedent has ALWAYS been, and, sadly for our Trump-Hating Deranged di ms in the US today, STILL IS, that the President, this one, previous ones, following ones, could and can ALL fire the FBI director at any time for any or no reason.

    2) " If your attorney general will not ignore the advice of ethics lawyers and intervene on your behalf, you can fire the attorney general."

    And, AGAIN, the fact of the matter is that it has has ALWAYS been, and, sadly for our Trump-Hating Deranged di ms in the US today, STILL IS, a fact that the President, this one, previous ones, following ones, could and can ALL fire the AG at any time for any or no reason.

    3) "You can then hire a new attorney general who has written to you about how he thinks the case against you is bogus and then that person can get confirmed by the Senate of your party even without requiring that that attorney general recuse himself."

    The fact is the President can try to hire whomever he likes. Period. Even IF that person is not who the President's enemies want, sorry. If that person is confirmed by Congress the law has been met. And yes, AGAIN, sadly for di ms these days, that WILL typically involve someone not desired by the enemies of the President but tough shit.

    4) "And then in place, that attorney general can do exactly what he was hired to do and make the obstruction of justice case go away."

    According to the enemies of the US Justice system. To the rest of us, the US citizens who still love and believe that our system, while not perfect, is the best thing going today. Meaning that if or when he is confirmed and takes office he can, and should do exactly what his job description says he should do. Even IF that goes against everything the anti-American Democrats desire.

    5) "And also prevent the Congress from seeing the results, the full results of that investigation."

    His JOB.

    Not just this AG mind you. It is the job of EVERY AG to decide who sees the whole reports. Not something unique to Trump my poor little spite addled little liberal friend.

    Deal with it...……...

     
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  17. Bugsy McGurk

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    Downright surreal.

    The USA is now a banana republic.
     
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  18. Bugsy McGurk

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    To the depths of the gutter he goes.
     
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  19. Bugsy McGurk

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    Yup. We are left to just guess what the beginning of that sentence was.
     
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  20. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Nope. This is a new topic. You have not been programmed with talking points to address it, so you just make noise.
     
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