What is this was done here in the US to YOUR daughter?

[Bruce]

I doubt it will happen here without the consent of the parent or parent's. Teaching's and trust in the home will help some but not always. The same politicians that would subject our women to this would most likely be the first to go to bed with them if given the chance. Teens experiment and that's life.

 

[LeilaniMP]

Are you serious? :lol:

And, you do have some sort of link to back that up, right?

And what if Santorum wins in November and he outlaws all birth control entirely?

 

[LeilaniMP]

It's all about the nanny state with them....

 

[LeilaniMP]

Excellent post, Rick.

You hit the nail on the head, as evidenced by the responses given within this tread by those who obviously see nothing wrong with govt doing watever they want with minor children without parental consent.

Oh yes, they will spin that it's "for the good of the children", but that's a bunch of malarkey.

Increasingly, there are many who put faith in the collective. The collective displaces family autonomy. The collective displaces individual liberty and personal sovereignty. The collective supplants the roles of traditional institutions of values and culture. This is a clear and growing trend.

Many misplace their faith. They put it into collections of men thinking that this is some guarantee of wisdom, and then they consolidate it, pruning competing institutions by weakening their influence. This is complete folly. Imagine the sheer safety and guarantee of stability realized when you gather among a thousand men running with scissors rather than relying upon your own, stale traditions. That many folks can't be wrong - and besides, their numbers assure that interest-leveling will occur. It's more representative by virtue of it's largesse and central stature. It's less susceptible to provincial prejudice...right? That's the thinking of the swarm. Bigger spread, diluted values relative to local sensibility. IKEA-Nation.

Parallel to this gravitation toward bland, collective sensibility is increasing distrust and intolerance for individualists and those who prefer more open systems in which greater competition for influence in our lives is allowed. Consolidation, centralization, collectivization - that's the stuff of security and progress. Anyhting else is feudal and primitive. Who are we to suppress and set limits on our children - the state should do it. Somehow, it is more worthy than those of blood relation who nurtured development from the womb forward.

It amazes me to see what people will clamor for when there is a vacuum within. I won't get theological on you, but something must fill that void. Something bigger than the individual. Something that transcends...that will still be here when we pass. It's as plain as day.

 

[LeilaniMP]

I cannot believe how some think doing this kind of thing without parental consent is "ok".

It shows how they raise their own children. We used to have a guy who worked for us who was always bemoaning how it was "the school's fault" that his kids were so bad; that it was up to the school to teach them how to behave and conduct themselves. I told him that no, that is the parents responsibilty ti teach those things...that school is for"learning",not forteaching children respect and discipline they should have already learned at home. (He came from Czechoslovakia (before it became the Czech Republic) and espoused the whole Communist bs, which illustrates how those of that ilk think)

No one has a right to give my MINOR child contraceptives of any kind- least of all perform a surgical procedure on her without my permission. It's absolutely ridiculous! Our school district is required to call parents to administer a simple aspirin.

I don't know how anyone could think this is OK.

I opted to have my daughter vaccinated with Gardasil. I see no reason not to; however it was MY choice, not the schools.

The gov needs to not only stay out of my womb; but they need to stay out of my child's womb as well. Period.

 

[Greenridgeman]

I have no problem with the state requiring work from every able bodied citizen, and extracting it by force from the workshy.

 

[libertyforall]

I don't undrestand.Isn't it the schools job to teach education?And isn't it the parents job to teach their children to be responsible and productive in socity?We are a free nation,and as such know their government can't do anything to our children without our permission.It seems to up to us parents to teach the government to stay in their own area of (dare I say it?) expertise.

 

[LeilaniMP]

That's the way it is for rational people.

However, it seems as if some want to govt and schools to raise their children for them.

I don't undrestand.Isn't it the schools job to teach education?And isn't it the parents job to teach their children to be responsible and productive in socity?We are a free nation,and as such know their government can't do anything to our children without our permission.It seems to up to us parents to teach the government to stay in their own area of (dare I say it?) expertise.

 

[degsme]

That's the way it is for rational people.

However, it seems as if some want to govt and schools to raise their children for them.

Um, Who? Other than Conservatives who want schools to indoctrinate children in christianity

 

[888888]

The same people who won't take blood transfusions. Dedicated to their religion.

As is their right in this country.

so if they work for a church that has this as part of their beliefs, does that mean you would be ok with not having this available because someone's religious beliefs, whom you do not follow are what guides your rights while everyone else can have it.

 

[degsme]

I understand. It appears that you prefer that the State control such decisions rather than smaller, more local and personal entities and relationships. That was rather my point. .

Except your point has no basis. In this case The Government is providing young women individual exercise of liberty over their own bodies. That's about as "local" and "personal" an exercise of liberty as there is. There is no "State Control [of] such decisions", any more than the state licensing say a casino CONTROLS you into gambling.