When is a baby considered a living human being?
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Queen Titania
Senator
The seed of new life springs forth at conception - that though is not what is in question- Independent life is.
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Rabid RW Extremist
Mayor
Those people who say unborn babies aren't human, aren't human themselves.......
Independent life isn't until..........at the very earliest..........maybe 10 years old........probably much later than that in 99.9% of all humans.
Some say not even at birth until the last tip of the last toe is out. And you should be able to kill "it" (whatever other-than-human thing "it" is) up until that point of last toe-tip exit.
fairsheet
Senator
We should strive for a world where everyone believes that human life begins at the moment of conception. We aren't there yet. Note that I don't assign much value to a world where everyone is coerced as a matter of civil law, to treat conception as the point where human life begins. The pro-lifers aren't helping at all, by insisting that their way of respecting human life (at the point of a sword) is the only righteous one.
Queen Titania
Senator
let me correct your subject line to read:
a living breathing human being.
a living breathing human being.
Caroljo
Senator
So until the baby is actually born and breathing, it is not a human being? Really? I knew you were sick, this confirms it.
oicu812
"Trust, but Verify"
as stated by jen,,dependent life extends long after birth..
independent life is as you said, "independent" of the mothers body...
the "dependency" fluctuates,,an infant cannot survive on its own..
Queen Titania
Senator
Darling oicu812 ( please tell me one day how you came upon such a bloody difficult for other to write, anon name! ) as I have stated before ,I had two abortions so this subject is particularly painful for me - I would and have always, when asked, advised women of the agony to come ------------------------- but, yes whilst that growing being is dependent on 'you' for its life you rightfully have the choice to eject it from you -
Do you mean able to survive independent of the mother's body?
With help?
Without help?
And what is the definition of "help"?
Breathe on its own?
Forage for food on its own?
What is that point?
It still seems like it's not quite nailed down.
Queen Titania
Senator
There are reasons that a baby must be aborted. Those reasons can occur at any time of the pregnancy. My preference would be for abortion to be legal and between a woman and her doctor. I am disgusted that it is a political football. To me that is an insult to everyone.
Caroljo
Senator
Come on Queen....WITHOUT help? Children need help for quite a few years after they're born. Are you saying you would be ok with a child of 2 yrs old that can't provide for itself to stay alive, that this child is not considered a human being?
Queen Titania
Senator
That I don't know.
Once felt in me......... there was no chance I would choose to eject it even if it meant giving my own life in the process.
Queen Titania
Senator
Nope --------------- we are not talking about the free born into our, mothers/parents guardianship - we are talking of our bodies, are we free? Your choice -
Caroljo
Senator
Sorry...I have to admit, I'm confused at what you're saying.