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When should Stay-at-Home have been effected nationally...

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Of course, if we had had the widespread testing and contact tracing that would have come with competent leadership, we would have known that the case load was something like 400 ... because more than 7 people would have been tested. Anyway, since we waited way too long, it means that the economy will be shut down MUCH LONGER, causing MUCH MORE damage.
ok... your 400. in a nation of some 320million...you would have locked the country down and shut down the economy..destroyed trillions in assets?

as a parallel...h1n1 killed 12,000+ US.... and nobody did anything remotely close...
 

Days

Commentator
sigh, no. that is not welcome here.
That's the truth, Phil.

This is the exact same strain of SARS that the previous virus endemic was, 10 years of work down the road. It is treatable by the same drug that worked on the previous SARS. The virus came out of a govt lab, just as the first SARS and Ebola and a host of others. CDC tells you that, none of these epidemics are carried by animals, they are human viruses... so, they came out of a lab, that's the only place they could have come from.

We endured a tougher SARS pandemic already without social distancing, so it wasn't necessary then and it really isn't necessary now... when you add in that the CDC falsified the origin and treatment of COVID19 to get us to do it, it becomes a scam.
  1. Origin: absolutely a government lab (somewhere)
  2. CDC claimed the origin was an exotic animal market; for a human virus! CDC is telling you that it could not have come from an animal because if the virus did come from an animal, then the animal could carry it. Let's say the video of a girl eating a live bat contacted the virus (which they don't say because the bat does not carry the virus) then the virus would be carried by bats. Okay, so out of one side of their mouth they blame the origin on an animal virus that mutated to human virus, and out of the other side of their mouth they tell you that it is a human virus and not carried by animals, so they plainly are lying about the origin. If this was an animal virus mutated to human and if they knew that, like they say it is, how do they know it is the case? The only way would be if they had identified the animal that it originated in and then that animal would be recognized as a carrier... instead they have not recognized the animal it originated in and they know of no animal carrier; so the virus is solely human and they say it is solely human, which means it didn't come from an animal, so where did it come from? govt lab
  3. TREATMENT:
  4. Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro (Link)
    Published: 18 March 2020

So, NO, the truth is not welcome here? Only politics, eh?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
That's the truth, Phil.

This is the exact same strain of SARS that the previous virus endemic was, 10 years of work down the road. It is treatable by the same drug that worked on the previous SARS. The virus came out of a govt lab, just as the first SARS and Ebola and a host of others. CDC tells you that, none of these epidemics are carried by animals, they are human viruses... so, they came out of a lab, that's the only place they could have come from.

We endured a tougher SARS pandemic already without social distancing, so it wasn't necessary then and it really isn't necessary now... when you add in that the CDC falsified the origin and treatment of COVID19 to get us to do it, it becomes a scam.
  1. Origin: absolutely a government lab (somewhere)
  2. CDC claimed the origin was an exotic animal market; for a human virus! CDC is telling you that it could not have come from an animal because if the virus did come from an animal, then the animal could carry it. Let's say the video of a girl eating a live bat contacted the virus (which they don't say because the bat does not carry the virus) then the virus would carry the disease. Okay, so out of one side of their mouth they blame the origin on an animal virus that mutated to human virus, and out of the other side of their mouth they tell you that it is a human virus and not carried by animals, so they plainly are lying about the origin. If this was an animal virus mutated to human and if they knew that, like they say it is, how do they know it is the case? The only way would be if they had identified the animal that it originated in and then that animal would be recognized as a carrier... instead they have not recognized the animal it originated in and they know of no animal carrier; so the virus is solely human and they say it is solely human, which means it didn't come from an animal, so where did it come from? govt lab
  3. TREATMENT:
  4. Hydroxychloroquine, a less toxic derivative of chloroquine, is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 infection in vitro (Link)
    Published: 18 March 2020

So, NO, the truth is not welcome here? Only politics, eh?
HUh?

sure.. truth away... drop your links/proof here....anytime...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
If we knew two months ago what we know now, we would have shut down two months ago. We would have snuffed out the catastrophe within a month. Why didn’t we know then what we know now? You know the answer - Trump did everything he could to deny and minimize the virus threat, and he squelched the advice we would have heard from the experts.

So here we are.
So did the WHO:


Nancy Pelosi:


And Mayor DeBlasio:

 

EatTheRich

President
ok... your 400. in a nation of some 320million...you would have locked the country down and shut down the economy..destroyed trillions in assets?

as a parallel...h1n1 killed 12,000+ US.... and nobody did anything remotely close...
COVId-19 has 100 times the case-fatality rate of H1N1. If it infected as many people, it would kill millions, not 12,000.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
COVId-19 has 100 times the case-fatality rate of H1N1. If it infected as many people, it would kill millions, not 12,000.
We don't know the fatality rate of CV19 because there are people with it that have never been diagnosed. That's the ENTIRE point.
 

Days

Commentator
HUh?

sure.. truth away... drop your links/proof here....anytime...
So when I say something about the Constitutionality of the lock-down, and you reply with some kind of snarky ignorance thinking you have identified a "conspiracy theory" - what was your point?

This lockdown is unconstitutional, the president has no authority to lock down the nation, he can declare a national emergency, sure, even if it doesn't really constitute a national emergency, that is his decision. But lock down the nation, terminate employment for half of the people that were working? Not legal. And the Governors who gave those orders... just as illegal.

there are about a half dozen major wild cat strikes happening right now... not being covered by the MSM. Whether this social distancing was necessary or not, it sure as hell was not legal. You can play uninformed and ignorant all you want, you can even pretend this lockdown isn't happening, you can post any way you want to, but last time i checked i was responding to your top post asking when the stay at home should have been ordered? So I am directly on topic. Excuse me if my facts are inconvenient to your politics, but they are the facts, this ain't no conspiracy theory. If Trump doesn't end this farce soon, and even if he does, if it doesn't end well (there's no guarantee the economy will start back up again, no nation has ever shut down its entire economy before) ... there will be more strikes, riots, and maybe even revolution.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't take away 100 million jobs and not expect a revolution unless you can give them their jobs back and fast.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
So did the WHO:


Nancy Pelosi:


And Mayor DeBlasio:

They only have one TDS-fueled response to these facts because not a single one of them have acknowledged them yet: "Orange Man Bad"
 

Mick

The Right is always right
So did the WHO:


Nancy Pelosi:


And Mayor DeBlasio:

Let's not forget Governor Cuomo:

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member

you can filter by clicking on US on the left.. then review the graphs on the right...

Lots of argumentation back and forth about how wrong everything has gone to date...

Based on the data... and in your opinon...on what date should a nation wide stay at home order been employed...??

(with the understanding, that as a result....the US and global economies are cratered, millions are unemployed, and massive panic effects all...)

go armchair QBs ..go...
My complaint with Trump is his minimization of the danger. He told people not to be concerned, it was going to magically disappear, we only had 15 cases....He should have just introduced the experts and otherwise kept his hunches to himself.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Let's not forget Governor Cuomo:

It isn't cute when the president makes up names for people, it isn't for you either. Grow up.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
My complaint with Trump is his minimization of the danger. He told people not to be concerned, it was going to magically disappear, we only had 15 cases....He should have just introduced the experts and otherwise kept his hunches to himself.
Like Pelosi, De Blasio, and Cuomo all did above telling people in their precincts that all was fine and to go about their business as lined above. Stop with the two-faced hypocrisy. We had seen two very similar coronaviruses, SARS and MERS, in the recent past which had petered out. There was no expert in world that could have predicted it to this level back in January with accuracy.Most were hopeful with worst case scenarios brought up. China said the virus couldn't spread person to person for the longest time and China banned the CDC from giving help for weeks. Dems apparently didn't see it coming. How many times was it mentioned in the February 18th debate? A big fat ZERO.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
H1n1 won't end up being the parallel.
May not. But we had MERS and SARS which appeared to be and they went belly up. You still aren't providing any rational argument as to why such a drastic step should have been done weeks or months ago.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
It isn't cute when the president makes up names for people, it isn't for you either. Grow up.
You prefer burger flipper? The one you thought was an "insult"......but many of your employees have that same title. Pathetic.

Now you going to address what Cuomo, Pelosi, and other Dems said and told their precincts or continue your rampant hypocrisy?
 
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