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Where in the Bible did Francis find firing employees is a "grave sin"

Arkady

President
Catholics at their heart are communists. Which is why despite abortion, they are largely Democrats.
Catholics are fairly serious about theology, and given the communistic tendencies of the apostles and the early church, that does push them a bit more in the socialist direction than you see with phonier Christians.
 

Arkady

President
There are a number of Biblical passages that are consistent with Francis's teaching. The clearest one is "Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets." You can find it in both Matthew (7) and Luke (6).

So, if you were an employee, would you want your boss to fire you for economic reasons or to merely conclude unclear negotiations? If not, then if you are a boss in that situation, Jesus has clearly made it a sin for you to fire the employee. By the commandment of Jesus himself, you must do to your employee what you'd want done to you in that situation.

For my own part, I wouldn't want to be kept on if that would jeopardize the entire firm, resulting ultimately in far more people losing their jobs. In that kind of situation where the company is struggling even to keep afloat, and everyone's livelihood is on the line, I get that some people may need to be laid off, and if I'm the most expendable, so be it. So, according to Jesus, I'd be morally justified in firing someone in that situation, since I'm doing unto them as I'd have done unto me. But, if it came down to my employer either keeping me on with a small profit, or firing me and having a bigger one, I'd want to be kept on. So, according to Jesus, if I were in that situation I'd be morally compelled to do to the employees what I'd want done to me, meaning that firing people would be a sin.

Of course, that all assumes that you recognize Jesus (or Francis) as a great moral authority. If you think you are more moral than they are, you may come to different conclusions.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member

YOUR FIRED

I recognize Jesus as my savior and Francis as only a lowly human

 

justoffal

Senator

Arkady

President
YOUR FIRED

I recognize Jesus as my savior and Francis as only a lowly human
Well, Jesus provided you with some clear advice throughout the Gospels for how to save yourself. One thing he said you should do is treat others as you'd want to be treated -- so, if you wouldn't want to be fired for economic reasons, what does that mean you should do when it comes to the question of firing others for economic reasons?

He also said that if you wanted to get into heaven you should sell everything you own and give all the money to charity. Since you regard him as your savior, would I be right to assume you've done that?
 

justoffal

Senator
There are a number of Biblical passages that are consistent with Francis's teaching. The clearest one is "Do to others what you want them to do to you. This is the meaning of the law of Moses and the teaching of the prophets." You can find it in both Matthew (7) and Luke (6).

So, if you were an employee, would you want your boss to fire you for economic reasons or to merely conclude unclear negotiations? If not, then if you are a boss in that situation, Jesus has clearly made it a sin for you to fire the employee. By the commandment of Jesus himself, you must do to your employee what you'd want done to you in that situation.

For my own part, I wouldn't want to be kept on if that would jeopardize the entire firm, resulting ultimately in far more people losing their jobs. In that kind of situation where the company is struggling even to keep afloat, and everyone's livelihood is on the line, I get that some people may need to be laid off, and if I'm the most expendable, so be it. So, according to Jesus, I'd be morally justified in firing someone in that situation, since I'm doing unto them as I'd have done unto me. But, if it came down to my employer either keeping me on with a small profit, or firing me and having a bigger one, I'd want to be kept on. So, according to Jesus, if I were in that situation I'd be morally compelled to do to the employees what I'd want done to me, meaning that firing people would be a sin.

Of course, that all assumes that you recognize Jesus (or Francis) as a great moral authority. If you think you are more moral than they are, you may come to different conclusions.
There are a number of biblical passages that encourage the vicar to keep to spiritual things and leave Caesar's business to Cesar..

Christ was totally apolitical.

JO
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Well, Jesus provided you with some clear advice throughout the Gospels for how to save yourself. One thing he said you should do is treat others as you'd want to be treated -- so, if you wouldn't want to be fired for economic reasons, what does that mean you should do when it comes to the question of firing others for economic reasons?

He also said that if you wanted to get into heaven you should sell everything you own and give all the money to charity. Since you regard him as your savior, would I be right to assume you've done that?
I'm also a Sinner.........................yet, I'm sure I give more to charity than you do and damn sure help more down and out people than you..............

How many people have YOU hired in past 40 years as I have______________GO
 

Arkady

President
You may be seeing this guy get the boot....a large number of traditional catholics want him to shut the fuxck up about politics and keep to church business. He's a globalist pawn and I have named him:

Francis the talking pope.

JO
Francis is an absolute rock star in the Catholic world.

http://www.newsweek.com/popular-pope-francis-gets-better-ratings-obama-and-merkel-says-poll-440262

Yes, some right-wingers who identify as Catholic are frustrated by how true he is being to Catholic theology -- a particularly hard blow for them after the comforting nonsense from Hitlerjugend Ratzinger -- a grand inquisitor after their own hearts. But, for every Catholic who doesn't like Francis, there are nine who do. He is wildly popular.

I was really struck by how popular he was the last time I was in Rome. I've been there five times, including trips during the reigns of John Paul, the Ratz, and Francis. You could see the differences just on the streets. With John Paul there was popish paraphenalia for sale by street vendors for the tourists, but most geared to 100-year-old church ladies. For Benedict, most of the stuff was subversive -- denigrating him.


But for Francis, the stuff was everywhere, aimed at a youthful audience, and it showed a real love and respect for the man.

 

justoffal

Senator
Francis is an absolute rock star in the Catholic world.

http://www.newsweek.com/popular-pope-francis-gets-better-ratings-obama-and-merkel-says-poll-440262

Yes, some right-wingers who identify as Catholic are frustrated by how true he is being to Catholic theology -- a particularly hard blow for them after the comforting nonsense from Hitlerjugend Ratzinger -- a grand inquisitor after their own hearts. But, for every Catholic who doesn't like Francis, there are nine who do. He is wildly popular.

I was really struck by how popular he was the last time I was in Rome. I've been there five times, including trips during the reigns of John Paul, the Ratz, and Francis. You could see the differences just on the streets. With John Paul there was popish paraphenalia for sale by street vendors for the tourists, but most geared to 100-year-old church ladies. For Benedict, most of the stuff was subversive -- denigrating him.


But for Francis, the stuff was everywhere, aimed at a youthful audience, and it showed a real love and respect for the man.

Dude....are you sure this is popularity?

 

justoffal

Senator
Francis is an absolute rock star in the Catholic world.

http://www.newsweek.com/popular-pope-francis-gets-better-ratings-obama-and-merkel-says-poll-440262

Yes, some right-wingers who identify as Catholic are frustrated by how true he is being to Catholic theology -- a particularly hard blow for them after the comforting nonsense from Hitlerjugend Ratzinger -- a grand inquisitor after their own hearts. But, for every Catholic who doesn't like Francis, there are nine who do. He is wildly popular.

I was really struck by how popular he was the last time I was in Rome. I've been there five times, including trips during the reigns of John Paul, the Ratz, and Francis. You could see the differences just on the streets. With John Paul there was popish paraphenalia for sale by street vendors for the tourists, but most geared to 100-year-old church ladies. For Benedict, most of the stuff was subversive -- denigrating him.


But for Francis, the stuff was everywhere, aimed at a youthful audience, and it showed a real love and respect for the man.

Yes he is definitely cut from a different bolt than the traditional pontiff....he was after all a community organizer at one time no?

Just the same there is a percentage of the traditional church that is not happy with his mixture of religion and politics.

Jo
 

Arkady

President
There are a number of biblical passages that encourage the vicar to keep to spiritual things and leave Caesar's business to Cesar.
Jesus said to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar, but that just leaves open the question of what belongs to Caesar, doesn't it? What we can be sure of is that Jesus didn't think religious leaders should be taking a stance against government taxation, since that was the exact context in which he was speaking -- he'd been asked whether Jews should be paying their taxes and he pointed out that money has the picture of the emperor on it and so should be paid to the emperor. But aside from rejecting an anti-tax message, what was Jesus' view about what belongs to Caesar and what to God? The Bible's short on guidance.

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Christ was totally apolitical.
I guess that depends on what you call politics. He was certainly in favor of addressing wealth inequality for example, since he commanded the rich to give away all their wealth to the poor, under pains of ever-lasting torture if they didn't. Was that political? And he said that not one jot of the Law would fall away, which could also be characterized as a political view.
 

connieb

Senator
Yes he is definitely cut from a different bolt than the traditional pontiff....he was after all a community organizer at one time no?

Just the same there is a percentage of the traditional church that is not happy with his mixture of religion and politics.

Jo
I enjoy the hubris, irony and sanctimony of the guy who runs one of the biggest businesses in the world, and one responsible for some of the most theft and carnage man has ever known... waxing poetic about the gravity of the sin of relocating your factory for economic reasons...... One of the reasons so many catholics are at home in the Democrat party is that the arrogance and hypocrisy run deep.. :) Oh and the sex with boys.. it speaks to the inner lefty.
 

Arkady

President
Yes he is definitely cut from a different bolt than the traditional pontiff....he was after all a community organizer at one time no?

Just the same there is a percentage of the traditional church that is not happy with his mixture of religion and politics.

Jo
Ironically, there's hardly a more deeply ingrained "tradition" in the church than mixing religion and politics. The Pope is, after all, the head of state for a sovereign nation. And until not so long ago, he was the head of state of a much more extensive nation: the Papal States. And all throughout the history of the Christian Church, the popes have been deeply involved in worldly political affairs: calling for crusades, crowning kings and emperors, resolving secular disputes and issues of succession, etc. This notion that religion and politics should stick to their separate spheres is a very American notion, and one I agree with strongly, but there's certainly nothing traditional about it. It's a radical departure for the great majority of religious history.
 

Arkady

President
I enjoy the hubris, irony and sanctimony of the guy who runs one of the biggest businesses in the world, and one responsible for some of the most theft and carnage man has ever known... waxing poetic about the gravity of the sin of relocating your factory for economic reasons...... One of the reasons so many catholics are at home in the Democrat party is that the arrogance and hypocrisy run deep.. :) Oh and the sex with boys.. it speaks to the inner lefty.
I've got a buddy who is a devout Catholic and when a bunch of other Catholics were trending rights, as Reagan Democrats, in the 80s, he and his family resisted. His father was a very old man and had instilled in him the understanding of just how deeply Catholics were once despised by the very types they were now allying with. The KKK, for example, was anti-Catholic every bit as much as it was anti-black. My buddy's father made sure his son understood that once the white protestant right had what they wanted from their alliance with the Catholics, and had dispatched more pressing "enemies" (the Muslims, blacks, gays, and Jews), they'd happily come for the Catholics next.

When he first told me about that, it sounded far-fetched, since the anti-Catholic sentiment seemed to have been fully extinguished among the know-nothings of the right, in the modern era. But now I think there's truth to it. Same with the anti-Jewish sentiment. It makes sense that the heirs to the know-nothing legacy would make common cause with the Jews and Catholics when that was convenient for going after other groups, but the bigotry was just barely under the surface, always ready to rise up again with anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic rhetoric the moment those groups were perceived as stepping out of line.
 

connieb

Senator
I've got a buddy who is a devout Catholic and when a bunch of other Catholics were trending rights, as Reagan Democrats, in the 80s, he and his family resisted. His father was a very old man and had instilled in him the understanding of just how deeply Catholics were once despised by the very types they were now allying with. The KKK, for example, was anti-Catholic every bit as much as it was anti-black. My buddy's father made sure his son understood that once the white protestant right had what they wanted from their alliance with the Catholics, and had dispatched more pressing "enemies" (the Muslims, blacks, gays, and Jews), they'd happily come for the Catholics next.

When he first told me about that, it sounded far-fetched, since the anti-Catholic sentiment seemed to have been fully extinguished among the know-nothings of the right, in the modern era. But now I think there's truth to it. Same with the anti-Jewish sentiment. It makes sense that the heirs to the know-nothing legacy would make common cause with the Jews and Catholics when that was convenient for going after other groups, but the bigotry was just barely under the surface, always ready to rise up again with anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic rhetoric the moment those groups were perceived as stepping out of line.
I know.. right.. I mean.. like their KKK ancestors, once the democrats have used the Catholics for their purpose of spreading their globalist, communist agenda, they will come for them. Just like they have already started to in Canada, where now preaching that homosexuality is a sin, is "hate speech". Wise man... wish more of my Catholic relatives would recognize this and not align themselves with the Democrat party, they will turn on them faster than a rabid dog.


connie
 

Jen

Senator
Catholics at their heart are communists. Which is why despite abortion, they are largely Democrats.
I know some very strong and wonderful Christians who are Catholic. I don't know what they think of this Pope, but the whole thing makes me feel terrible for them when their leaders whom they trust seem to be going the wrong direction.

I feel that Protestant and Catholic religions are moving into a state of apostasy these days. The Bible says that in the "latter days" there will be a great falling away from/ rebellion against God. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3). This includes a rebellion even within our churches, I believe. And that is what we are seeing with this Pope.

Christians, whether they be Catholic or Protestant........need to have a personal relationship with God. The church may no longer provide leadership.
 
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