Which One Of These Republicans Best Describes PJ Conservatives?

[trapdoor]

No they did NOT ... he's been a racist

Untrue:

This is false, his ... DOCUMENTED ... racism goes back into the 70s !!!

https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/

Yep, he wasn't a racist until he was opposed to Obama. NYT "discovered" this during his run for president. Show me ANY report of his racism before 2011.

Link and quote?

See above, where Jesse Jackson praises him for his lifetime of service to minorities.

Again, no one said you was racist ... you sound like a logical conservative ... the .004% ... so I wouldn't say that unless I know you.

Now you're giving me the benefit of the doubt, which you said I didn't have before.

 

[trapdoor]

The only dem I'd have voted for was Biden...I would have voted for Jon Huntsman or Kasich.

I just haven't liked Biden ever since he was caught for his plagiarism back in the '80s. And there's the simple fact that Democratic candidates at the national level still back gun control and affirmative action. At least Bernie Sanders talked a good line on gun control.

I was a complete pessimist going into election day. I was convinced that Hillary! would win in a walk, and we'd have four years of Obama in a dress, with a backdrop of Bill, who is simply sleazy. Even though I've been predicting for years that the Democrats were going to drop out of power if they continued to ignore the working class, I was shocked to see it happen. Fortunately, for them at any rate, Trump is a buffoon and is unlikely to have a second term. That being the case I hope they come up with a good candidate for 2020.

 

[middleview]

I just haven't liked Biden ever since he was caught for his plagiarism back in the '80s. And there's the simple fact that Democratic candidates at the national level still back gun control and affirmative action. At least Bernie Sanders talked a good line on gun control.

I was a complete pessimist going into election day. I was convinced that Hillary! would win in a walk, and we'd have four years of Obama in a dress, with a backdrop of Bill, who is simply sleazy. Even though I've been predicting for years that the Democrats were going to drop out of power if they continued to ignore the working class, I was shocked to see it happen. Fortunately, for them at any rate, Trump is a buffoon and is unlikely to have a second term. That being the case I hope they come up with a good candidate for 2020.

I think I've told you before that I'd met Biden and spent the better part of a Sunday, with about 30 or so veterans, talking to him about Iraq and Afghanistan. His attention to detail was amazing. His knowledge of the history of the tribes in the area showed he had spent a lot of time studying the issues and the people.

The quote you are referring to was referenced a number of times in his speeches and once or twice he didn't reference the origin of the quote...BFD. Did Melania's use of Michelle Obama's speech (nearly word for word) bother you? I just thought some speech writer "F"d up...but didn't really care.

I have not heard Biden say anything about affirmative action, but I agree with him on the need for Universal Background Checks. The larger issue for me would be Biden's relationships with the congress and his ability to work across the aisle.

Bernie's math sucked. He had no freakin' idea how he'd pay for his programs....He preached complete giveaway...let the rich pay for it.

 

[trapdoor]

I think I've told you before that I'd met Biden and spent the better part of a Sunday, with about 30 or so veterans, talking to him about Iraq and Afghanistan. His attention to detail was amazing. His knowledge of the history of the tribes in the area showed he had spent a lot of time studying the issues and the people.

The quote you are referring to was referenced a number of times in his speeches and once or twice he didn't reference the origin of the quote...BFD. Did Melania's use of Michelle Obama's speech (nearly word for word) bother you? I just thought some speech writer "F"d up...but didn't really care.

I have not heard Biden say anything about affirmative action, but I agree with him on the need for Universal Background Checks. The larger issue for me would be Biden's relationships with the congress and his ability to work across the aisle.

Bernie's math sucked. He had no freakin' idea how he'd pay for his programs....He preached complete giveaway...let the rich pay for it.

Living in Iowa I get the chance to at least see, and meet if I want to, most people running for president. I frankly skip it unless there's a coincidence involved. I was part of giving Mitt Romney a tour (extremely boring dude), just for example.

I made my living as a writer for a long time, and I'm probably a little over the top on the subject of plagiarism. I admit it's not fair. I was repelled by Melania's (staff's) theft of Michelle Obama's speech, too.

As you know, I firmly believe UBC cannot work unless there is registration, and registration is something I oppose. Biden toes the party line on affirmative action, and I reject that party line. I thought that the DNC might wake up when it comes to that subject after Clinton's "mend it, don't end it" but it failed to do so (which I think is a factor in the loss of the "blue wall.")

"Let the rich pay for it" is no different for Bernie, Hillary! or Hillary!'s old boss.

 

[middleview]

Living in Iowa I get the chance to at least see, and meet if I want to, most people running for president. I frankly skip it unless there's a coincidence involved. I was part of giving Mitt Romney a tour (extremely boring dude), just for example.

I made my living as a writer for a long time, and I'm probably a little over the top on the subject of plagiarism. I admit it's not fair. I was repelled by Melania's (staff's) theft of Michelle Obama's speech, too.

As you know, I firmly believe UBC cannot work unless there is registration, and registration is something I oppose. Biden toes the party line on affirmative action, and I reject that party line. I thought that the DNC might wake up when it comes to that subject after Clinton's "mend it, don't end it" but it failed to do so (which I think is a factor in the loss of the "blue wall.")

"Let the rich pay for it" is no different for Bernie, Hillary! or Hillary!'s old boss.

Obama's proposed tax increase would have been pretty small...and that would have been on income over $250k. It would have amounted to one good bottle of wine per week.

Bernie was never specific enough to know exactly what he was planning...just like Trump.

 

[EatTheRich]

Which textbook is that? Trump was never called racist by anyone before he started opposing Obama. I guess we just ignore that little historical fact. I based the "benefit of the doubt" on the principals of American jurisprudence. You're innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Prove me guilty. Voting for Trump is insufficient proof. Until then you're just wanking.

Uh, he was sued by the DOJ for race discrimination twice in the 1970s and settled.

 

[EatTheRich]

They mostly go between 3 and 4 ... with a touch of 1

your take?

I see a lot of 5

 

[EatTheRich]

I don't really care if Donald Trump is racist or not, to be quite honest. I didn't vote for him as much as I voted against Hillary! I think Donald is like a storm, storms blow over and only seldom do much in the way of permanent damage. Hillary! would have been more like a volcano -- changing the landscape no matter what happened. I temporized -- I'd rather deal with one than the other. If Hillary! hadn't been a candidate, and say Bernie Sanders had been the Dem nominee, I might have voted for him. I never claimed to like Trump.

Putting you in camp 4 ... willing to compromise with racism to achieve a desired political objective

 

[EatTheRich]

Why is he asking black people in NY about laws that are passed down South ? Go to the places where GOPers impose these laws and ask the people who have to live under GOPer rule.

Hint: It's not Berkley or NYC.

And why is he misrepresenting the argument?

 

[EatTheRich]

I think I've told you before that I'd met Biden and spent the better part of a Sunday, with about 30 or so veterans, talking to him about Iraq and Afghanistan. His attention to detail was amazing. His knowledge of the history of the tribes in the area showed he had spent a lot of time studying the issues and the people.

The quote you are referring to was referenced a number of times in his speeches and once or twice he didn't reference the origin of the quote...BFD. Did Melania's use of Michelle Obama's speech (nearly word for word) bother you? I just thought some speech writer "F"d up...but didn't really care.

I have not heard Biden say anything about affirmative action, but I agree with him on the need for Universal Background Checks. The larger issue for me would be Biden's relationships with the congress and his ability to work across the aisle.

Bernie's math sucked. He had no freakin' idea how he'd pay for his programs....He preached complete giveaway...let the rich pay for it.

He had a specific proposal to fund every campaign promise.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

White liberals are the most racist people on the face of the earth

 

[Deleted member 21794]

You voted for an overt and well known ... DOCUMENTED ... racist past with text book racist actions and statements ....

sooooooo

You don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt k?

thx

So then all the black people who have been friends with Trump for decades are stupid- and you're the smart one?

I find that incredibly difficult to believe.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Trump has long been called a racist.

https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/

Impressive... except the Democratic Party has long BEEN the party of racism. You have unproven, big government liberal, whiny (imagine that!) allegations. I have historical FACTS.

You lose. AGAIN.

 

[middleview]

He had a specific proposal to fund every campaign promise.

No he didn't. His proposals were vague on purpose.

 

[middleview]

Impressive... except the Democratic Party has long BEEN the party of racism. You have unproven, big government liberal, whiny (imagine that!) allegations. I have historical FACTS.

You lose. AGAIN.

The historic fact is that southerners were largely racists. At one time they were mostly democrats. They became republicans when the democratic party supported the Civil Rights act of 1964. The evidence is the sudden shift in voting patterns in the south in 1968 and the majority of African Americans registered as democrats.

 

[EatTheRich]

No he didn't. His proposals were vague on purpose.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

 

[EatTheRich]

The historic fact is that southerners were largely racists. At one time they were mostly democrats. They became republicans when the democratic party supported the Civil Rights act of 1964. The evidence is the sudden shift in voting patterns in the south in 1968 and the majority of African Americans registered as democrats.

"I am a conservative. I intend to give the American people a clear choice. I welcome a fight between our philosophy and the liberal left-wing dogma which now threatens to engulf every man, woman, and child in the United States. I am in this race because I believe the American people have been pushed around long enough and that they, like you and I, are fed up with the continuing trend toward a socialist state which now subjects the individual to the dictates of an all-powerful central government."-segregationist Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) announcing his American Independent campaign for the presidency after losing the Democratic primary to Hubert Humphrey

 

[middleview]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

So here is what you think of as specific?

6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers, a 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households, progressive income tax rates, taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work, limiting tax deductions for the rich, adjusting the estate tax, and savings from health tax expenditures.


It doesn't say what the program will cost and it doesn't say how much revenue will come in. A specific proposal would allow you to compare money coming in to payments. This doesn't do that...

Is he actually saying that my business will now pay an additional 6.2% tax for all payroll?
Gee, no problem. I'll just raise my prices (again)...and the price of all goods and services in the nation will go up 6.2%. Cool.

His $1 trillion "rebuild America" plan? 13,000 workers, eh?
Paid for by making corporations pay taxes on all of the “profits” they have shifted to the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens, which the Congressional Research Services estimates may currently create losses that approach $100 billion annually, and other loopholes.

May create losses that approach $100 billion? "MAY" is not very specific...neither is "other loopholes".

 

[EatTheRich]

It doesn't say what the program will cost and it doesn't say how much revenue will come in. A specific proposal would allow you to compare money coming in to payments.

You didn't scroll down?

Sorry about the format on the C/P but it's the spending proposal first with the cost estimate for that followed by the revenue proposal with a revenue estimate for that.
Cost and Revenue of Proposed Plans

Plan Cost Funding Revenue
Rebuild America Act $1 trillion
/ 5 years
Taxing corporate offshore income
[Congressional Research Service, 1/15/15] $1 trillion / 10 years

College for All $75 billion / year
Wall Street speculation tax
[Political Economy Research Institute,
University of Massachusetts-Amherst, 3/16] About $300 billion / year

Social Security Expansion Act $1.2 trillion / 10 years
Remove payroll tax cap for earnings above $250,000
[Office of the Chief Actuary, Social Security Administration, 3/26/15] $1.2 trillion / 10 years

Employ Young Americans Now Act $5.5 billion
/ 2 years
Closing carried interest loophole
[Joint Committee on Taxation, 9/16/15] $15.6 billion / 10 years

Offer 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave
Additional 0.2% Payroll Tax
[Office of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand] $319 billion
/ 10 years

Keep Our Pension Promises Act $29 billion / 10 years
Closing tax loopholes on estate taxes and artwork
[Pension Rights Center, 7/7/15] $29 billion / 10 years

Responsible Estate Tax Act
Progressive estate tax on inheritances over $3.5 million; closes estate tax loopholes. $214 billion
/10 years

End Polluter Welfare Act $110 billion /10 years Ends tax breaks and subsidies for fossil fuel companies $135 billion
/10 years

Medicare for All Health Care Plan $1.38 trillion / year
Paid for by a 6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers, a 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households, progressive income tax rates, taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work, limiting tax deductions for the rich, adjusting the estate tax, and savings from health tax expenditures. $1.39 trillion / yea

 

[EatTheRich]

So here is what you think of as specific?

6.2 percent income-based health care premium paid by employers, a 2.2 percent income-based premium paid by households, progressive income tax rates, taxing capital gains and dividends the same as income from work, limiting tax deductions for the rich, adjusting the estate tax, and savings from health tax expenditures.


It doesn't say what the program will cost and it doesn't say how much revenue will come in. A specific proposal would allow you to compare money coming in to payments. This doesn't do that...

Is he actually saying that my business will now pay an additional 6.2% tax for all payroll?
Gee, no problem. I'll just raise my prices (again)...and the price of all goods and services in the nation will go up 6.2%. Cool.

His $1 trillion "rebuild America" plan? 13,000 workers, eh?
Paid for by making corporations pay taxes on all of the “profits” they have shifted to the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens, which the Congressional Research Services estimates may currently create losses that approach $100 billion annually, and other loopholes.

May create losses that approach $100 billion? "MAY" is not very specific...neither is "other loopholes".

I'm not here to defend his specific proposals, only pointing out that he did say how he intended to pay for the spending he proposed, in more detail than Clinton or Trump.