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White House legal team hates the constitution

Mr. Friscus

Governor
Clinton lied under oath. It was not perjury. For it to have been perjury the question would have to have been pertinent to the accusation of having harassed Jones for refusing to have sex with him.
Although proceedings were delayed due to the bombing of Iraq, on the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998 on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (first article, 228–206) and obstruction of justice (third article, 221–212).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
 

Dino

Russian Asset
The proof is documented.....in Trump's own words on camera...for Russian interference and his request for Ukraine's interference. Unless you're going to claim that when Trump opens his mouth, he's lying. Ha ha.
No. They’re not. You’re mistaking his joke as a foreign policy. That’s moronic and demented.
He never asked for any Ukraine interference and also didn’t receive ANY.
Nothing tainted in 2020, just lame excuses for the defeat that’s coming.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Although proceedings were delayed due to the bombing of Iraq, on the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998 on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (first article, 228–206) and obstruction of justice (third article, 221–212).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
And he was not convicted....because while he lied under oath, it was not perjury.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
So somehow the DNC hiring a law firm and asking them to dig up dirt on the opposition, something all campaigns do, and that law firm hiring an investigation firm and that firm hiring a citizen of another country is the equivalent...in your addled brain, of asking another country to announce the investigation into one of your opponents.

Wow...

There is no law related to hiring citizens of other countries to do work for a campaign. However, if you see nothing wrong with inviting Ukraine, China or perhaps Russia to help Trump stay in power....say so.
Did the Democrats shelve this untrustworthy information when they realized it came from overseas? Did they even bother to question its validity before leaking it to their minions in the press?
Ha! You can’t possibly pretend the Democrats weren’t engaging in foreign interference to win an election. It’s simply not sane to attempt such a laughable lie.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No. They’re not. You’re mistaking his joke as a foreign policy. That’s moronic and demented.
He never asked for any Ukraine interference and also didn’t receive ANY.
Nothing tainted in 2020, just lame excuses for the defeat that’s coming.
A joke?

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Did the Democrats shelve this untrustworthy information when they realized it came from overseas? Did they even bother to question its validity before leaking it to their minions in the press?
Ha! You can’t possibly pretend the Democrats weren’t engaging in foreign interference to win an election. It’s simply not sane to attempt such a laughable lie.
Wow...what a stretch. What foreign government was involved in producing that dossier?
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
Facts not your forte?
So you said he "lied under oath" but didn't commit perjury.

Let's look at the definition of perjury.

Perjury - the offense of willfully telling an untruth in a court after having taken an oath or affirmation.

Yikes, so even though lying under oath = perjury, Clinton lied under oath but didn't commit perjury..

Sorry, if X = Y, then Y = X. Math not your forte?
 

Dino

Russian Asset
Wow...what a stretch. What foreign government was involved in producing that dossier?
Wow, really??
It’s time for Let’s Play Pretend! again.
You’ve been outted enough in this thread and now it’s time for whatabout-ism and hypocrisy.

Lame.
 

reason10

Governor
Since the founders put impeachment into the constitution and the WH defenders are saying impeachment is a way to throw out an election...they must hate the founding fathers and the constitution.

If Trump has actually attempted to use the power of the office to get Ukraine and China to help smear his political rival, which is what it looks like to anyone with an open mind...then that is what the founders feared.
The undue influence of foreign nations on our elections.

Of course, none of that is true at all. And the House illegal impeachment team has WIPED THEIR ASSES on the Constitution.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
A British citizen vs a foreign nation? Yes, it is different.
Paying a foreign national to go over and dig up phony dirt in another foreign country is not the same as asking a foreign leader to "get to the bottom" of a foul smelling situation caught on camera? You are staring to figure it out, middie.

Lulz
 

EatTheRich

President
If Clinton didn't commit perjury, I'd agree he shouldn't have been impeached. He dug his own grave. There was a static, quantifiable crime.

Once you start making it 100% political without defined crimes, it gets very Salem Witch Trials-esque... which is why I'd wager you'll see Trump not be impeached.
Trump was impeached though ..:
 

EatTheRich

President
I couldn't get through this gabble because my eyes were watering from laughing so hard. Whether it was your insertion about what "John Bolton said" without ever being able to actually QUOTE John Bolton......to citing Vindman whose own boss, Tim Morrison, said was whiny and butthurt......to your insistent cries that aid delivered before the deadline as being illegal......to a man who has been felony indictments over his head, Parnas, as being your star witness.....to your conspiracies regarding assassination attempts on ambassadors.

You are just posting insanity. Here's the facts. No one told Zelensky the aid was conditioned on Joe Biden. That is simply untrue. Zelensky has been clear on this fact many times. This case is so weak that Dems knew from the beginning that they were going to lose some of their own while getting ZERO Republicans to join them. They knew it would lead to no conviction. They are violating the Constitution in the fact they are weaponizing impeachment for political partisan purposes. The founders almost didn't include impeachment in the Constitution out of this very real fear that we are seeing in America today. That is the biggest reason they included the 2/3 super majority needed for conviction in the Senate.

Impeachment weaponized by partisans to put "boundaries on a President" is one of the most egregious violations of the Constitution and the purpose of impeachment that I have ever seen claimed. That is a mentally sick position. I knew this....but wow. Impeachment has ONE purpose and ONE purpose only......and that is removal of a President for "high crimes and misdemeanors". If you feel "boundaries" are needed then you introduce legislation and if it is valid, non-partisan, it will pass the House and Senate (and if vetoed by the POTUS) then 2/3 can override it. That's how Congress provides legitimate boundaries. Boundaries that are not partisan.

Thanks for embarrassing yourself and admitting this a corrupt kangaroo effort undergone by partisan left wing factions to undermine an election and the Constitution. You do more harm to your own arguments than anything I could add.

Lulz
Congress already passed such a law, decades ago. Now they are looking for a remedy for a president who willfully ignored it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Paying a foreign national to go over and dig up phony dirt in another foreign country is not the same as asking a foreign leader to "get to the bottom" of a foul smelling situation caught on camera? You are staring to figure it out, middie.

Lulz
The question is are you?

Clearly it is not the same. Hillary was not the president, Steele was paid for his effort and had no official status with any foreign government.

Trump wanted a favor and was using his office to trade weapons for that favor.
 
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