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Why do so many want another civil war in our country?

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Boltlady, May 18, 2017.

  1. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    Capitalism, imho, is facing a problem that is thousands of years old: the "magic of compound interest" ALWAYS produces debt faster than productive economies can pay it off:

    http://store.counterpunch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Killing-The-Host_PDF_V7.pdf (P. 28)

    "Driven by the mathematics of compound interest – savings lent out to grow exponentially – the overgrowth of debt is at the root of today’s economic crisis.

    "Creditors make money by leaving their savings to accrue interest, doubling and redoubling their claims on the economy.

    "This dynamic draws more and more control over labor, land, industry and tax revenue into the hands of creditors, concentrating property ownership and government in their hands.

    "The way societies have coped with this deepening indebtedness should be the starting point of financial theorizing."
     
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  2. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...rump-impeachment-poll-shows-article-1.3173051

    "The latest Public Policy Polling survey found that nearly half (48%) of Americans supported impeachment proceedings for Trump, while just 41% said they would not support them.

    "That poll, like the first, was taken May 12-14, among 692 registered voters, before news emerged that Trump disclosed highly classified information to Russian diplomats and before news broke that Trump explicitly asked Comey to end the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn before firing the now ex-FBI chief."

    Conservatives and economically desperate voters put a billionaire con-man in the White House, and now the pay back is coming.

    Maybe you should learn from your mistake?
     
  3. Constitutional Sheepdog

    Constitutional Sheepdog ][][][%er!!!!!!!

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    More polls whay next Hillary is President? PPP is a liberal polling fake news
     
  4. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    Why do you have so much trouble understanding this: Trump and Hillary are on the same side?
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich Senator

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    President Trump, riots in Berkeley, terrorist attacks ...
     
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  6. Arkady

    Arkady The Departed

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    I certainly wouldn't want another civil war. I'd imagine that anyone who has made a serious study of our last civil war, or of modern civil wars elsewhere (e.g., Syria) would say the same. There would be no winners in such a conflict.

    Still, I'm not convinced that violent protests are a growing problem. I'd need to see numbers on that to be convinced. We've had violent demonstrations on a pretty regular basis as far back as I can recall. Seattle in 1999 was quite violent, with 600 arrests and $20 million in damages. NYC in 1977 was far, far worse, in term of damages -- it would have a price tag of around $1.2 billion in today's dollars. People forget about Cincinnati in 2001, but it was rough, too: $3.6 million in damage, and nearly 1000 arrested. LA in 1992 was an order of magnitude worse, with over 10,000 arrested. There were also the Occupy protests that, though remarkably peaceful on the part of the demonstrators, involved a lot of unprovoked violence by authorities. And if you go back before my time, there are a series of very violent protests in the 1960s: Watts in '65, Detroit and Newark in '67, and Chicago in '68.

    That said, I suppose that even if there's not yet a clear pattern of worsening, there may be in the future. After all, twice since 2000 the American people chose one candidate to be their president and had the other candidate installed instead. People get violent when they feel non-violent paths for the redress of their grievances have been foreclosed. Since the party that got screwed in each of those elections is the party that is favored by the very people who have the least to lose in our society (the poor, minorities, and young people), we're definitely playing with fire, as a nation. What happens to a dream deferred? Does it explode?
     
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    4/15 Mayor

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    I don't believe people are frustrated with their lives as Obamas administration left us in good shape. I believe it is because the republicans were so obstructive to positive changes during Obamas term that when they now change tune it is just time to send them all to their maker.
     
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  8. Dawg

    Dawg President Supporting Member

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    as dem/libs working with Trump
    sending them to their maker is easy
     
  9. Emily

    Emily NSDAP Kanzler

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    Delusional ("Obamas administration left us in good shape") and violent ("it is just time to send them all to their maker") is a dangerous combination.
     
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  10. The Sage of Main Street

    The Sage of Main Street Mayor

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    Self-Determination for Those Genetically Determined to Destroy Us

    Muslim oil is the West's intellectual property. That was our first mistake, letting them freeload off our science gave the savages contempt for us because we were such weakling pushovers (just like the nerds who let their King Ape owners have the corporate patents that only High IQs could have created).

    First, that giveaway led to price-gouging through an illegal cartel and an illegal embargo. Our weakling multiculties in the government let the petropirates get away with that insulting attack, too. It has led to every recession, but other things are always blamed by the two parties collaborating with the Caliphate.

    Next came terrorism, financed by the price-gouging. Against the will of the majority, the feralphile elitists who make our laws for us appeased Islam by letting in sleeper-cell immigrants as a sign of good faith. Worst of all, they declared a War on Terror instead of a War on Islam, not being able to understand that Islam is a religion of human sacrifice as mindless, subhuman, and bloodthirsty as the Mayans in Apocalypto were. But the decadent Terminal America take is that the Spaniards were equally as evil for exterminating them.
     
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  11. Constitutional Sheepdog

    Constitutional Sheepdog ][][][%er!!!!!!!

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    The last two you mentioned are anti-capitalist did you have a point?
     
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    Constitutional Sheepdog ][][][%er!!!!!!!

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    So you don't think capitalism didn't give you what you have today? Where do you live in a communist country?
     
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    EatTheRich Senator

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    1. They are reactions to the social dislocations caused by capitalism.
    2. Largely not the case. For example, al-Qaeda, founded by capitalist construction magnate Osama bin Laden, was clearly a pro-capitalist group.
     
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    Constitutional Sheepdog ][][][%er!!!!!!!

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    That doesn't change anything the last two are anti-capitalist and capitalism gave you what you have today.
     
  15. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich Senator

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    Nothing anti-capitalist about billionaire bin Laden. Yes, capitalism gave us what we have today ... rising seas, escalating wars, mass hunger.
     
  16. Constitutional Sheepdog

    Constitutional Sheepdog ][][][%er!!!!!!!

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    Then you don't understand the concept of capitalism. When everybody benefits not just a select few middle eastern billionaires.
     
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  17. as seen on tv

    as seen on tv Senator

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    one of the best recent films to explore this theme was "live free or die hard"

    Justin long had an epiphany dduring the "fire sale" when he realized millions of people were at risk and in misery.

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich Senator

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    You mean that I understand the reality of capitalism and don't confuse it with your utopian myth of it.
     
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  19. Constitutional Sheepdog

    Constitutional Sheepdog ][][][%er!!!!!!!

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    You don't have a concept what capitalism is. UTOPIA has nothing to do with capitalism and all to do with a fake narrative socialist lifestyle.
     
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  20. EatTheRich

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    I do have a concept what capitalism is ... the rule of capital. The same definition used by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon when he coined the term and the same you used when you boasted that capitalism gives us the modern world.
     

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