Why I am now anti-abortion

[Charcat]

They have discovered that most babies don't have conscious thought until at least five months of age--and even that is not actual thinking, being more recognition and unconscious memory. So why isn't it legal to kill babies before they're five months of age?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2311630/When-babies-really-conscious-Researchers-say-early-months.html

 

[Max R.]

Not necessarily. Have you ever known anyone in the last stages of Alzheimers?

Nope, but my father has dementia, I've known people who had strokes and other mental disabilities. Did they become less of a human being for that incapacity? No.

Once a human being, always a human being.

 

[Charcat]

Nope, but my father has dementia, I've known people who had strokes and other mental disabilities. Did they become less of a human being for that incapacity? No.

I had a very good friend who died of Alzheimers. They lose recognition, speech and a lot more before they forget how to eat and breathe. It is a horrible way to watch a loved one die. But absolutely they're human. And it's definitely not like senility, except in the early stages.

So is a 20-week fetus a human. This is a 21-week baby born alive.



http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/abortion-bill-hearing-today-2674296.html

 

[Max R.]

I had a very good friend who died of Alzheimers. They lose recognition, speech and a lot more before they forget how to eat and breathe. It is a horrible way to watch a loved one die. But absolutely they're human. And it's definitely not like senility, except in the early stages.

So is a 20-week fetus a human. This is a 21-week baby born alive.

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http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/abortion-bill-hearing-today-2674296.html

Looking human isn't human. Chimps have the behavioral capacity of human 5 year olds. Are you ready to grant them human status?

 

[Charcat]

Looking human isn't human. Chimps have the behavioral capacity of human 5 year olds. Are you ready to grant them human status?

Max, behavioral activity doesn't make one human. If it did, we wouldn't become human until we were a few years old at least.

 

[Max R.]

Max, behavioral activity doesn't make one human. If it did, we wouldn't become human until we were a few years old at least.

You worry about a zygote yet you don't give a shit about butchering chimps, dolphins and other fellow creatures with the intelligence of human children?

How do you explain the hypocrisy here? If you want to quote the Bible, I invite you to begin with Genesis.

 

[Charcat]

You worry about a zygote yet you don't give a shit about butchering chimps, dolphins and other fellow creatures with the intelligence of human children?

How do you explain the hypocrisy here? If you want to quote the Bible, I invite you to begin with Genesis.

Huh?????

 

[oicu812]

personally,,,bless the beasts and the children...

 

[Max R.]

Huh?????

Please define both "human being" and what differentiates human beings from all other animals.

 

[Max R.]

personally,,,bless the beasts and the children...

Interesting movie. Saw it when it first came out in 1971.

 

[oicu812]

Interesting movie. Saw it when it first came out in 1971.

i noticed it was on just last week...

stupid buffalo...

 

[Charcat]

You worry about a zygote yet you don't give a shit about butchering chimps, dolphins and other fellow creatures with the intelligence of human children?

How do you explain the hypocrisy here? If you want to quote the Bible, I invite you to begin with Genesis.

I am at a loss as to why you are accusing me of not giving a shit about butchering chimps, dolphins and other fellow creatures--whether or not they possess high intelligence. Where did that come from? We were discussing human life.

I am, and always have been, an advocate for animal rights. Start another thread if you want to discuss that. In the meantime, women are not aborting chimps, dolphins or other fellow creatures.

 

[oicu812]

I am at a loss as to why you are accusing me of not giving a shit about butchering chimps, dolphins and other fellow creatures--whether or not they possess high intelligence. Where did that come from? We were discussing human life.

I am, and always have been, an advocate for animal rights. Start another thread if you want to discuss that. In the meantime, women are not aborting chimps, dolphins or other fellow creatures.

i agree,,it must have been a temporary neural aberration...

 

[Max R.]

I am at a loss as to why you are accusing me of not giving a shit about butchering chimps, dolphins and other fellow creatures--whether or not they possess high intelligence. Where did that come from? We were discussing human life.

I am, and always have been, an advocate for animal rights. Start another thread if you want to discuss that. In the meantime, women are not aborting chimps, dolphins or other fellow creatures.

Sorry. I must have misunderstood this statement: "behavioral activity doesn't make one human".

I'd still like to see your definition of "human being" and what, if anything, differentiates human beings from other critters.

Here's more philosophical questions:

Would a human clone have a soul?

Do other intelligent creatures, if there are any here or elsewhere in the Universe, have souls?

 

[Max R.]

i agree,,it must have been a temporary neural aberration...

It's all those drugs I did in college. Creeps up on me sometimes.

 

[oicu812]

It's all those drugs I did in college. Creeps up on me sometimes.

i spent the 60s in height ashbury...choppers, mexican bullethead reds and boons farm apple wine...i can alomost puke just thinking about it...

 

[Jen]

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It's against PJ rules to make personal statements about a poster, julie, in case you're not aware of it.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

It's against PJ rules to make personal statements about a poster, julie, in case you're not aware of it.

It's against PJ rules for you to delete my post.....since you're no longer a moderator....and a moderator would've informed me of a deletion.

 

[BobbyT]

It's against PJ rules for you to delete my post.....since you're no longer a moderator....and a moderator would've informed me of a deletion.

Your post hit a bulls eye. So.....it had to go.

 

[Max R.]

They have discovered that most babies don't have conscious thought until at least five months of age--and even that is not actual thinking, being more recognition and unconscious memory. So why isn't it legal to kill babies before they're five months of age?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2311630/When-babies-really-conscious-Researchers-say-early-months.html

That's incorrect. What the link stated was that researchers believe they've detected consciousness in babies as young as five months old.