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Why isn't Lt. Col. Vindman being charged with treason...

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I complimented your devotion to Trump...that you refused to read Vindman's testimony and ONLY listened to Trump's lies.
I'm not sure there's another Trumpie in PJ as good a supporter as you.
I was saying the same thing last week, after reading Vindman's opening statement. I don't take orders from Trump.
 
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so you think it is treason to be for helping Ukraine defend itself from putin and russia...even though that has been US policy by both republican and democratic presidents and republican and democratic majorities of Congress for at least 2 decades?

yeah, i guess it is treason if you are a goddamn Russian or russian loving pig ass American. is that what you are admitting?

what kind of a crazy ass post did you just post? you are for Russia and against Ukraine?
You are completely lost. Go take a nap.
 
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And a decorated veteran. Cons like guys like Daddy's little orange Pumpkin who got a doctor to lie and say he had bone spurs. I'm wondering, is that why he rides in his golf cart on the green while others walk....or is it because he eats too many cheese "berders" and can't carry all that bulk around? :)
PJ cons hate war heroes.
So what? John Kerry is a decorated veteran and he's still a piece of crap too.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I missed that memo. "Patriots" do not undermine the POTUS in conducting foreign policy. Vindman's efforts clearly illustrate his fealty to Ukraine. When AIPAC does the same thing vis a vis Israel, you guys go ape-shit.
Vindman did not undermine US policy in the Ukraine. He has simply confirmed Trump’s crimes. That makes you Trump cultists crazy.
 
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Depends on the policy. Our laws forbidding criminal conduct, whether here or abroad, are set by Congress, through statutes that are signed by presidents.
Who sets foreign policy in the US? I'll give you a hint: elections have consequences.
 
so you think it is treason to be for helping Ukraine defend itself from putin and russia...even though that has been US policy by both republican and democratic presidents and republican and democratic majorities of Congress for at least 2 decades?

yeah, i guess it is treason if you are a goddamn Russian or russian loving pig ass American. is that what you are admitting?

what kind of a crazy ass post did you just post? you are for Russia and against Ukraine?
What about the Russian pig ass loving Obobo do you like so much?

YOU DO KNOW he DENIED military aid the the Ukrainians after Russia invaded Crimea don't you?

I sure someone so informed as you wouldn't forget that huh Jimmy?

Ukrainian President Poroshenko even came all the way to Washington to plead his case before a joint session of congress. But.....Obobo STEADFASTLY REFUSED TO HELP.

What a piece of shit right Jimmy? Obobo gave him food and blankets! What a fukn joke!

"In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and began arming separatists in eastern Ukraine with tanks, armored vehicles and rocket launchers, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko came to Washington to plead for weapons to defend his country. In an impassioned address to a joint session of Congress — with Biden sitting directly behind him — Poroshenko said his country appreciated the nonlethal assistance he was getting, but declared “one cannot win a war with blankets.

The Obama-Biden administration was unmoved. The Wall Street Journal reported at the time that “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or other lethal military gear to Ukraine, despite a passionate appeal Thursday for help in fighting pro-Russian rebels by Ukraine’s president.” Why? The administration feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow."

So what did the administration give him? Instead of RPGs (rocket-propelled grenades), we provided MREs (meals ready to eat) — food rations. As one frustrated former Pentagon official put it at the time, “What kind of message does that send anyway? We are sending MREs while they are being invaded by an aggressor.”


Answer......A message of weakness. Obobo is a pussified bitch. Like all leftists. Present company included.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/08/joe-biden-is-hypocrite-ukraine/

https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/sorry-joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-ukraine-at-all/

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/10/trump_gave_ukraine_what_obama_withheld.html
 
Note the following additional excerpt from Vindman’s prepared statement: “….I was worried about the implications for the US government’s support of Ukraine…. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.”

Vindman’s concern is all about Ukraine without any explanation of why the United States would benefit from bilking the taxpayer to support a foreign deadbeat one more time. One wonders if Vindman was able to compose his statement without a snicker or two intruding. He does eventually go on to cover the always essential national security angle, claiming that “Since 2008, Russia has manifested an overtly aggressive foreign policy, leveraging military power and employing hybrid warfare to achieve its objectives of regional hegemony and global influence. Absent a deterrent to dissuade Russia from such aggression, there is an increased risk of further confrontations with the West. In this situation, a strong and independent Ukraine is critical to US national security interests because Ukraine is a frontline state and a bulwark against Russian aggression.”

The combined visions of Russia as an aggressive, expansionistic power coupled with the brave Ukrainians serving as a bastion of freedom is so absurd that it is hardly worth countering. Russia’s economy is about the size of Italy’s or Spain’s limiting its imperial ambitions, if they actually exist. Its alleged transgressions against Georgia and Ukraine were both provoked by the United States meddling in Eastern Europe, something that it had pledged not to do after the Soviet Union collapsed. Ukraine is less an important American ally than a welfare case, and no one knows that better than Vindman, but he is really speaking to his masters in the US Establishment when he repeats the conventional arguments.

It hardly seems possible, but Vindman then goes on to dig himself into a still deeper hole through his statement’s praise of the train wreck that is Ukraine. He writes “In spite of being under assault from Russia for more than five years, Ukraine has taken major steps towards integrating with the West. The US government policy community’s view is that the election of President Volodymyr Zelensky and the promise of reforms to eliminate corruption will lock in Ukraine’s Western-leaning trajectory, and allow Ukraine to realize its dream of a vibrant democracy and economic prosperity. The United States and Ukraine are and must remain strategic partners, working together to realize the shared vision of a stable, prosperous, and democratic Ukraine that is integrated into the Euro-Atlantic community.”

Alexander Vindman does not say or write that the incorporation of Ukraine into NATO is his actual objective, but his comments about “integrating with the West” and the “Euro-Atlantic community” clearly imply just that. The expansion of NATO up to Russia’s borders by the rascally Bill Clinton constituted one of the truly most momentous lost foreign policy opportunities of the twentieth century. The addition of Ukraine and Georgia to the alliance would magnify that error as both are vital national security interests for Moscow given their history and geography. Vindman should be regarded as a manifestation of the Deep State thinking that has brought so much grief to the United States over the past twenty years. Seen in that light, his testimony, wrapped in an air of sanctimoniousness and a uniform, should be regarded as little more than the conventional thinking that has produced foreign policy failure after failure.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deep-state-national-security-council-colonel-vindman-expert-agenda

This guy was clearly undermining POTUS to advance Ukraine's interests - that's treason, or at least was before Trump was elected...
Vindman was on the call.

Vindman heard the Biden's might be investigated.

Vindman is a DemocRat operative.

Vindman swung into action and tipped off Schiff.

Vindman didn't want to be out front, so Schiff created the whistleblower.

Whistleblower bombed because he wasn't actually on the call.

Schiff convinces Vindman to come out.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Vindman was on the call.

Vindman heard the Biden's might be investigated.

Vindman is a DemocRat operative.

Vindman swung into action and tipped off Schiff.

Vindman didn't want to be out front, so Schiff created the whistleblower.

Whistleblower bombed because he wasn't actually on the call.

Schiff convinces Vindman to come out.
Nothing makes Trump cultists angrier than patriots who expose Trump’s crimes. Trump tells you to slime those patriots, and you do it.

Deplorable!
 
Nothing makes Trump cultists angrier than patriots who expose Trump’s crimes. Trump tells you to slime those patriots, and you do it.

Deplorable!
Vindman is a deep state leaker who should be prosecuted for sedition.

No surprise you support him......no surprise AT ALL.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Vindman is a deep state leaker who should be prosecuted for sedition.

No surprise you support him......no surprise AT ALL.
In Trumplandia, Dear Leader Trump has decreed that his cultists refer to patriots who expose his crimes as deep state leakers and seditionists.
 
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