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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by resident_evil, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. resident_evil

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  2. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Yeah, I could see how Robby Starbuck would be far more reliable than CBS, ABC, NBC or CNN....

    Just for grins...could you link to the CNN story encouraging Antifa?
    Will @CNN apologize for encouraging Antifa? Will @Twitter ban them for harassment?
     
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    resident_evil Senator

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    Sure -

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...efends_antifa_no_organization_is_perfect.html


    Worse is not condemning violence from the left though quick to make a very big deal about it from others not their ideological friends. Quite often that violence they do disclaim or renounce is responsive violence to their minions actual violence.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Lemon said "nobody condones violence". While you may certainly condemn the people committing violence, look at Antifa's web site. They are everybit as much guilty of encouraging violence as is Trump or the Proud Boys.

    Was Lemon "encouraging" Antifa? He certainly was drawing a distinction between the Nazis and Antifa. Not sure if I care for either group.

    Twitter has suspended the account of Smash Racism DC, which had published Carlson’s address.
     
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    resident_evil Senator

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    I'm going to take you as an honest poster from now on.

    I laughed at him out loud I'm trying not to do the same to you either. But I can't help it. ha ha
    Proud Boys I don't know? I'd guess Gavin McGinness not really. Trump? No. I've told you it is rhetorical bluster responsive to the violence done to his supporters of which that list of over 600 documents a few. So I call bullshit Middler. :0)

    Sorry, there is no distinction between Nazis and Communists like Antifa. And again that violence was precede by a lot of left on right violence leading up to Charlottesville. Don't lie on this because I have a list of of 600 plus and some more threads on that.

    That I appreciate that very much. Could have done it sooner?
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    I saw the list of supposed left on right violence...Every single one that I looked for evidence on proved not to be politically motivated. I'm not going to expend effort to research all 600, but if the first dozen, chosen at random, proved to be nothing worth including on your list.

    The guys making noise at Tucker Carlson's house are certainly disturbing the peace and should be arrested...same bunch confronted Ted Cruz in a restaurant and I already posted that if they'd been at my restaurant I'd have had the police there in a heartbeat. That group, however is not Antifa.

    There is a fundamental difference between fascists (as we see in Proud Boys, KKK or Nazi rallies) as they are pretty dramatically anti-diversity, anti-Semitic and are actually conducting their demonstrations specifically to commit violence. Dylan Roof wanted to start a race war by killing blacks in a church.
     
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    If you say this I can't take you seriously and can get why you think CNN doesn't suck.

    It doesn't take much effort to greatly injure or kill someone and incivility and threatening behavior can escalate to that quickly. I'm glad to hear that you'd ask trespassers to leave your premises right after calling 911. :0)

    Again, can't take you seriously when you just toss in Proud Boys into a group it does not belong in. That is an example of the kind of FAKE NEWS CNN perpetrates.
     
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    I supplied facts refuting many of the incidents on your list...like 100% of the randomly chosen incidents....

    Why don't you think the Proud Boys are a right wing and violence prone group?

    Since you have used Wikipedia and think it is a credible source....here ya go

    Website OfficialProudBoys.com
    Proud Boys is a far-right organization that admits only men as members and promotes political violence

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
     
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    I'm sorry you had no facts refuting anything.

    I take people at their word until shown otherwise and you can look up at the Proud Boys website and what they claim. Fighting does not mean you have a violence directed group. And I'd say that your leftist violence precipitated groups like Proud Boys.

    I saw that wikipage just 40 minutes or so ago. I found no information corroborating that first sentence. I figure it was edited by persons who'd have bias against the group since Wiki is a group effort and as such attracts many socialist types.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    I just did a C&P from the Wikipedia link...

    Proud Boys is a far-right organization that admits only men as members and promotes political violence
     
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    I saw that first sentence you copied and pasted (those '40 minutes ago'). I said that. I then said I found no evidence corroborating that sentence and that I expected it to be a badly edited entry from a socialist.

    Please stop drinking. :0)
     
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    But,but,but...you linked to Wikipedia as a credible source and with no corroborating links to support it? I was just reminding you.
     
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    More bullshit talking points. Please note, nobody had ever heard of the "proud boys" until the nation collectively started talking about how unhinged the Left has become. Now every five seconds its Proud boys this, proud boys that.......

    It's a pathetic joke.
     
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    Funny how wikipedia articles have links to their sources way at the bottom of the page. You ever get that far reading something. ha ha ;0)
     
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    I do...which is why I wonder why you missed this on one of the links

    Regarding counter-protesters, Jones said: “You try to speak to them as humans, they disregard that and use it as weakness. But they do listen to your fist smashing into their face.”

    Nordean agreed. Jones asked: “How good did it feel, at least later, when you saw his head hit the pavement?”

    Nordean said: “Like Gavin McInnes says, violence isn’t great, but justified violence is amazing.”

    McInnes has claimed
    repeatedly that “fighting solves everything”. In a podcast last May, he said: “You’re not a man until you’ve had the crap beaten out of you [and] beaten the crap out of someone.”
     
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    Who started the violence? Antifa and Hillary Clinton supporters did. What you on the left want is that your violence not be answered. You want to be uncontested rapists.
     
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    I want you to work on your reading comprehension...Proud Boys are the Alt-Right Fight Club and they show up with every intention of starting violence. It is part of their initiation.

    Regarding counter-protesters, Jones said: “You try to speak to them as humans, they disregard that and use it as weakness. But they do listen to your fist smashing into their face.”

    If they don't listen to you (meaning if they disagree) beat the crap out of them.


    Nordean agreed. Jones asked: “How good did it feel, at least later, when you saw his head hit the pavement?”

    Nordean said: “Like Gavin McInnes says, violence isn’t great, but justified violence is amazing.”

    McInnes has claimed
    repeatedly that “fighting solves everything”. In a podcast last May, he said: “You’re not a man until you’ve had the crap beaten out of you [and] beaten the crap out of someone.”

    So fighting solves everything? While you are excusing the Proud Boys and condemning Antifa, I condemn them both. The two groups make the USA look like Berlin in 1930 between the communists and fascists....each had their private militias. It was literally civil war in the streets. Support the Proud Boys if you like...they are no better then the Nazis and KKK.
     
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    No, I read their website and I believe their proposition of who and what they say they are. They are not race supremacists and to say so is a CNN fake news lie.

    I know there are different kinds of violence and reasons behind them. People with boxing, wrestling, or MMA propensities are combative people they are not necessarily violent people. You are clearly unable to appreciate this nuance which is a manly sensibility.

    To be violent is to start violence (i.e. antifa and Bernie/Hillary supporters) and to end violence with force is not violence in the pejorative sense you wish to use the word.
     
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    Yeah, they are clearly non-violent folks who are just responding to attacks from Antifa...:rolleyes:

    So when the Proud Boys and their allies in the Boot Boys or the skinheads get in fights, you are pretty sure it is self defense? Please explain the 4th step to initiation into the Proud Boys....We can ignore the odd "punch in" or the masturbation rule for now.

    Fourth degree — The final step involves “a major fight for the cause,” McInnes said. “You get beat up, kick the crap out of an antifa” and possibly get arrested.

    The Proud Boys’ April 15 brawl in Berkeley, Calif. with antifascists and backed up by affiliated pro-Trump groups produced plenty of opportunities for Proud Boys to earn their fourth degrees.

    In one video from the fighting, a Proud Boy — naturally in a black and yellow Fred Perry shirt — is shown getting arrested while another yells “You got your fourth!”


    Have a look at this...it is a bunch of proud boys beating up someone on the street...

     

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