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Yup. July was the hottest month on record

EatTheRich

President
Trump has nothing to do with the debate....TDS strikes again.

Once again, the observation was there has been a skeptical side to the radical enivornmentalist mentality for decades. Why would you act sleazy enough to deny this? Simply to lump in skepticism with Trump?? Pretty deranged.
It is not “the radical environmentalist mentality” that acknowledges the facts that July was the hottest month on record, June was the hottest June on record, the last 5 Julys were the 5 hottest Julys on record, and the 10 hottest Julys on record were all in the last 15 years.
 

EatTheRich

President
I did. Who denied that climate changes?

Quote the post.
@Dino claimed that the observed climate change was an artifact of selection bias in measurement, citing a self-published study by a hack known for making whatever elementary boners necessary to reach the desired conclusion.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
The “skeptical side” are those who make conclusions based on the evidence. Not those who chuck out the evidence to reach a foreordained conclusion. Wouldn’t you agree?
Of course. Are you pretending there's no inconclusive or contradictory evidence?
 

Nostra

Governor
@Dino claimed that the observed climate change was an artifact of selection bias in measurement, citing a self-published study by a hack known for making whatever elementary boners necessary to reach the desired conclusion.
So you can't quote the post, you have to spin it.
 

EatTheRich

President
No, theres's not remotely as strong evidence for AGW.
Disagreed. Consider again the evidence:

The equations demonstrating (given measured energy absorption from the sun) the predicted temperature of the earth in the absence of the Greenhouse Effect and the observed temperature given the Greenhouse Effect.

Measurements indicating that ghg emissions exceed the rate of natural uptake.

The predicted, and observed, ocean acidification due to rising CO2 concentrations.

The predicted, and observed, rise in CO2 concentrations.

The predicted, and observed, rises in temperature (concentrated in the predicted places), ocean salinity, total precipitation, frequency and length of heat waves, frequency and length of droughts, Antarctic ice, plant and animal migration, and the proportion of storms that are high-intensity.

The predicted, and observed, decreases in stratospheric temperature, glacier cover, and total storm frequency.

The successful prediction of temperature on Mars using the same principles fundamental to the AGW theory. The successful prediction of the composition of Venus's atmosphere from its temperature using the theory of greenhouse warming.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
Disagreed. Consider again the evidence:

The equations demonstrating (given measured energy absorption from the sun) the predicted temperature of the earth in the absence of the Greenhouse Effect and the observed temperature given the Greenhouse Effect.

Measurements indicating that ghg emissions exceed the rate of natural uptake.

The predicted, and observed, ocean acidification due to rising CO2 concentrations.

The predicted, and observed, rise in CO2 concentrations.

The predicted, and observed, rises in temperature (concentrated in the predicted places), ocean salinity, total precipitation, frequency and length of heat waves, frequency and length of droughts, Antarctic ice, plant and animal migration, and the proportion of storms that are high-intensity.

The predicted, and observed, decreases in stratospheric temperature, glacier cover, and total storm frequency.

The successful prediction of temperature on Mars using the same principles fundamental to the AGW theory. The successful prediction of the composition of Venus's atmosphere from its temperature using the theory of greenhouse warming.
How much based on modeling , how much based on inconsistent and unreliable temperature acquisition data? How much fudged numbers and determined environmental activism? How much based on removing temperature monitoring from colder and more elevated areas? How much based on a differing standard from decades earlier?
These specifics and standards vary widely, and there’s rock solid proof of activists sounding alarms to standardize and exacerbate their findings to move them into “emergency” range.
Most data sets for the observations you mention are contradictory, differing, or simply not observed.
 

EatTheRich

President
How much based on modeling , how much based on inconsistent and unreliable temperature acquisition data? How much fudged numbers and determined environmental activism? How much based on removing temperature monitoring from colder and more elevated areas? How much based on a differing standard from decades earlier?
These specifics and standards vary widely, and there’s rock solid proof of activists sounding alarms to standardize and exacerbate their findings to move them into “emergency” range.
Most data sets for the observations you mention are contradictory, differing, or simply not observed.
Nope. It’s all very straightforward, transparent, and simple. But there has been a multi-billion-dollar PR campaign to convince a gullible public otherwise.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
Nope. It’s all very straightforward, transparent, and simple. But there has been a multi-billion-dollar PR campaign to convince a gullible public otherwise.
No. No it’s not.
Of all the life sciences: vertebrate and invertebrate zoology, microbiology, histology, oncology, geology, and so on and so forth, there’s no greater disagreement and lack of confidence than in the field of climate science. There are political- and economic- extremists and partisans on both sides and both often skew favorable results to their side as scientific certainty. Too much capitalism and anti-capitalism at stake it would appear.
But as far as the science, it is far from settled.
 
Nope. It’s all very straightforward, transparent, and simple. But there has been a multi-billion-dollar PR campaign to convince a gullible public otherwise.

Anyone who says something like global climate is "straightforward, transparent, and simple" is lying to you. Your problem is you're too dumb to realize it.
 

EatTheRich

President
No. No it’s not.
Of all the life sciences: vertebrate and invertebrate zoology, microbiology, histology, oncology, geology, and so on and so forth, there’s no greater disagreement and lack of confidence than in the field of climate science. There are political- and economic- extremists and partisans on both sides and both often skew favorable results to their side as scientific certainty. Too much capitalism and anti-capitalism at stake it would appear.
But as far as the science, it is far from settled.
If you ignore what the surveys of scientists and of the published literature say and invent a controversy which exists only BETWEEN scientists and their politically motivated critics ... not AMONG scientists.
 

EatTheRich

President
Anyone who says something like global climate is "straightforward, transparent, and simple" is lying to you. Your problem is you're too dumb to realize it.
I didn’t say that either. I said that the theory that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations reliably lead to warming (as basic physics and chemistry say it will and as simple experiments as well as the natural experiment we are conducting with our children’s future can confirm) was straightforward, transparent, and simple. The climatic effects of adding the energy equivalent of about 4 Hiroshima bombs per second to the Earth’s energy balance are of course complex.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
If you ignore what the surveys of scientists and of the published literature say and invent a controversy which exists only BETWEEN scientists and their politically motivated critics ... not AMONG scientists.
You’re just babbling.
What you DON’T have is scientific agreement and evidence among climate scientists that man is surely warming the earth and affecting storm frequency to a determined and inarguable degree. There is no consensus that such a thing is happening by any known and provable degree. Without that you don’t have settled science, you have scientific theory.
 

EatTheRich

President
You’re just babbling.
What you DON’T have is scientific agreement and evidence among climate scientists that man is surely warming the earth and affecting storm frequency to a determined and inarguable degree. There is no consensus that such a thing is happening by any known and provable degree. Without that you don’t have settled science, you have scientific theory.
“Theory” is the ultimate goal of science ... the hypothesis that withstands every challenge thrown at it. The measured temperature rise has been about 1 degree Celsius, and it has been demonstrated by statistical methods that the probability that the temperature would have risen to such an extent in the absence of anthropogenic forcings is less than 5%. The theory of greenhouse warming that is the proposed mechanism for the temperature rise that was first predicted, then observed to occur to within hundredths of a degree of the predicted likely amount, is uncontroversial and based on basic physics and chemistry. Storm frequencies have changed precisely as the models incorporating accelerated greenhouse warming have predicted. On the other hand, models that did not take into account humans’ effects have performed abysmally.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
“Theory” is the ultimate goal of science ... the hypothesis that withstands every challenge thrown at it. The measured temperature rise has been about 1 degree Celsius, and it has been demonstrated by statistical methods that the probability that the temperature would have risen to such an extent in the absence of anthropogenic forcings is less than 5%. The theory of greenhouse warming that is the proposed mechanism for the temperature rise that was first predicted, then observed to occur to within hundredths of a degree of the predicted likely amount, is uncontroversial and based on basic physics and chemistry. Storm frequencies have changed precisely as the models incorporating accelerated greenhouse warming have predicted. On the other hand, models that did not take into account humans’ effects have performed abysmally.
From the graduate of “Because I said so” University.
Congrats on being the only world-wide Evangelical Climatologist Extraordinaire to have figured this all out to the “hundredths of a degree” <snicker>.
Can you refer me to your peer-reviewed ironclad definitive findings?
Give it a rest bro, and admit like every other honest person in the world, that we just don’t know for sure. You’ve sold out to at least this one true religion.
 

EatTheRich

President
From the graduate of “Because I said so” University.
Congrats on being the only world-wide Evangelical Climatologist Extraordinaire to have figured this all out to the “hundredths of a degree” <snicker>.
Can you refer me to your peer-reviewed ironclad definitive findings?
Give it a rest bro, and admit like every other honest person in the world, that we just don’t know for sure. You’ve sold out to at least this one true religion.
The findings are in virtually every article in every volume of Nature, Nature Climate Change, Journal of Climate, Climate Research, International Journal of Climatology, etc. ... as you might expect for a theory that is completely uncontroversial within the community of experts.

Here’s a link to one of several meta-analyses of all the peer-reviewed literature on climate change showing an ironclad consensus.
https://scienceprogress.org/2012/11/27479/
 
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