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are you really pro-life?

Caroljo

Senator
All this BS that conservatives don't want to feed, educate or house children is just that....bullsh*t. You keep repeating those lies over and over and over hoping that more people will hear and and believe your lies. It's probably close to the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Hey, think of this.....the more children that are aborted, the less of them will need to be fed, educated & housed! So I'd think if what you (and she) says is true, then why wouldn't we all want as many children torn apart in an abortion as we can get?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Joan also says:

"JC: I believe that that's – let's put it this way. I'm opposed to abortion. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I would never see abortion as a birth control method of choice. But having said that, I would never condemn a woman who finds herself in the position where she believes that, or her doctor believes that, abortion is the only answer for her at that moment. My problem lies in the fact that we make it an absolute. We say that we can never, under any circumstances whatsoever allow abortion, and yet we allow death – men, men can kill for a number of reasons. Men can kill to defend themselves, men can kill to defend the country, men can kill to punish the people that they believe should be killed. And we never call those deaths absolute. We allow men to sit down at a table and plan the destruction of the globe and we never ever say that that is totally, absolutely, gravely immoral and sinful. But in abortion, we allow no discussion whatsoever of possible times when it would not be a matter. That just seems to me to be anti-Catholic. In every other dimension of moral, of the moral life, we recognize grades and degrees of innocence and guilt. This is the one place where we say there are no grades or degrees of innocence. There's only total absolute evil and sin. I don't understand that. I'm raising the question. How do we explain that? Am I opposed to abortion? Get it straight. As a birth control method of choice, I certainly am. My major question is: why is this the one ... issue in which we never see any moment when it may not be as grave an issue as it might be under other circumstances?"

so, there's that.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dissident-nun-sister-joan-chittister-the-lifesitenews-interview
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
All this BS that conservatives don't want to feed, educate or house children is just that....bullsh*t. You keep repeating those lies over and over and over hoping that more people will hear and and believe your lies. It's probably close to the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Hey, think of this.....the more children that are aborted, the less of them will need to be fed, educated & housed! So I'd think if what you (and she) says is true, then why wouldn't we all want as many children torn apart in an abortion as we can get?
no, it's not BS.

it's republican governors who refused the ACA Medicaid expansion for the working poor in their state, the working poor who can't afford health insurance. that's not pro-life.

it's republican governors who cut education and social services in their state budgets in order to transfer the money to the wealthy. that's not pro-life.

it's republicans who still fight against contraceptive services thru ObamaCare AND want to defund Planned Parenthood....so babies could be wanted and afforded. that's not pro-life.

it's republican congressmen who are cutting the budget for food stamps, housing, etc. that's not pro-life.

so no, it's not BS.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Joan also says:

"JC: I believe that that's – let's put it this way. I'm opposed to abortion. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I would never see abortion as a birth control method of choice. But having said that, I would never condemn a woman who finds herself in the position where she believes that, or her doctor believes that, abortion is the only answer for her at that moment. My problem lies in the fact that we make it an absolute. We say that we can never, under any circumstances whatsoever allow abortion, and yet we allow death – men, men can kill for a number of reasons. Men can kill to defend themselves, men can kill to defend the country, men can kill to punish the people that they believe should be killed. And we never call those deaths absolute. We allow men to sit down at a table and plan the destruction of the globe and we never ever say that that is totally, absolutely, gravely immoral and sinful. But in abortion, we allow no discussion whatsoever of possible times when it would not be a matter. That just seems to me to be anti-Catholic. In every other dimension of moral, of the moral life, we recognize grades and degrees of innocence and guilt. This is the one place where we say there are no grades or degrees of innocence. There's only total absolute evil and sin. I don't understand that. I'm raising the question. How do we explain that? Am I opposed to abortion? Get it straight. As a birth control method of choice, I certainly am. My major question is: why is this the one ... issue in which we never see any moment when it may not be as grave an issue as it might be under other circumstances?"

so, there's that.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dissident-nun-sister-joan-chittister-the-lifesitenews-interview
so what does that mean to you?
 

gigi

Mayor
Supporting abortion because you feel people won't raise each other's children doesn't make you prochoice. It makes you a liar of the worst kind; one who will march this evil sacrament, abortion, across the backs of the poor just to protect it. What you inadvertently admit, without realizing it, is that you feel women who don't have means should abort their babies. That's not choice. You can't blather on about it's her body and her choice and yet hold up abortion as the antidote to poverty. A woman who sees abortion as the only way to save her child from poverty has more than likely bought the lies that proaborts have marketed to her and now feels she has no choice. A poor woman who has an abortion leaves the abortion mill still poor. You didn't solve her problems. You don't find prochoice people outside abortion mills waiting to help poor women.

It's prolife advocates....everyday people who have families and jobs, and illnesses, and worries like everyone else... who help these women find free daycare, free medical care, safe places to stay when the prochoice boyfriend goes ballistic, line up their paperwork to apply for benefits, take them to their appointments, and offer them any help we can find for them before and after the births of their children. I have a lot of prochoice friends and acquaintances. Not one of them has ever, ever, asked to be part of any of this help that's offered to women by prolife agencies everyday, nor have they accepted an invitation to help. Instead, they talk about privacy and minding our own business and then they go off and say we're not prolife if we don't find a way to pay for every moment of a child's life, while they themselves do nothing for these families. They bitch about politicians, but that doesn't pay for one single diaper.

I'm not surprised that Julie is so enamored of this nun. So is Huffpo and the National Catholic Register....which ought to tell you a thing or two about how opposed this woman is to Catholic teaching. She has quite a history. In fact, Joan is so opposed to it that she lies about and misrepresents it, and then rails against those lies.
Mother Theresa was a nun, too. She said "How can there be too many children? That's like saying there are too many flowers."
And....
"The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion."
And....
"If a woman can kill her own child, how can we tell the people of the world not to kill each other?"

She also said many other things about abortion and it's affect on the world.
But that's not a nun Julie will ever hold up as a voice of truth or reason or Christian ideology. Not surprising.
 
Supporting abortion because you feel people won't raise each other's children doesn't make you prochoice. It makes you a liar of the worst kind; one who will march this evil sacrament, abortion, across the backs of the poor just to protect it. What you inadvertently admit, without realizing it, is that you feel women who don't have means should abort their babies. That's not choice. You can't blather on about it's her body and her choice and yet hold up abortion as the antidote to poverty. A woman who sees abortion as the only way to save her child from poverty has more than likely bought the lies that proaborts have marketed to her and now feels she has no choice. A poor woman who has an abortion leaves the abortion mill still poor. You didn't solve her problems. You don't find prochoice people outside abortion mills waiting to help poor women.

It's prolife advocates....everyday people who have families and jobs, and illnesses, and worries like everyone else... who help these women find free daycare, free medical care, safe places to stay when the prochoice boyfriend goes ballistic, line up their paperwork to apply for benefits, take them to their appointments, and offer them any help we can find for them before and after the births of their children. I have a lot of prochoice friends and acquaintances. Not one of them has ever, ever, asked to be part of any of this help that's offered to women by prolife agencies everyday, nor have they accepted an invitation to help. Instead, they talk about privacy and minding our own business and then they go off and say we're not prolife if we don't find a way to pay for every moment of a child's life, while they themselves do nothing for these families. They bitch about politicians, but that doesn't pay for one single diaper.

I'm not surprised that Julie is so enamored of this nun. So is Huffpo and the National Catholic Register....which ought to tell you a thing or two about how opposed this woman is to Catholic teaching. She has quite a history. In fact, Joan is so opposed to it that she lies about and misrepresents it, and then rails against those lies.
Mother Theresa was a nun, too. She said "How can there be too many children? That's like saying there are too many flowers."
And....
"The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion."
And....
"If a woman can kill her own child, how can we tell the people of the world not to kill each other?"

She also said many other things about abortion and it's affect on the world.
But that's not a nun Julie will ever hold up as a voice of truth or reason or Christian ideology. Not surprising.
Welcome back. Haven't seen you here for a while and I was afraid we'd lost one of our most eloquent posters.

You're the light that shines on the evil darkness of the Julies in the world. We need you. Please don't stop.
 

gigi

Mayor
Welcome back. Haven't seen you here for a while and I was afraid we'd lost one of our most eloquent posters.

You're the light that shines on the evil darkness of the Julies in the world. We need you. Please don't stop.
Nope, I'm not the light. By far I'm not. And not so much a fan of this place anymore but I do find myself here sometimes. Not recently though as I had to part company with a gallbladder. Should have had it done at PP! Maybe I'd have gotten a kickback!
 
Nope, I'm not the light. By far I'm not. And not so much a fan of this place anymore but I do find myself here sometimes. Not recently though as I had to part company with a gallbladder. Should have had it done at PP! Maybe I'd have gotten a kickback!
You speak the Word. That's the light. Julie can't even respond to your posts. That's what evil does in the presence of the Word, it vanishes.

John 3:20 - For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
It means I agree with her, in that it should not be a method of choice as relates birth control.
that's why having contraceptives, including the morning after pill, affordable and accessible are so important for today's women (thanks Obama) and efforts to stop that are so deplorable.
 

connieb

Senator
Supporting abortion because you feel people won't raise each other's children doesn't make you prochoice. It makes you a liar of the worst kind; one who will march this evil sacrament, abortion, across the backs of the poor just to protect it. What you inadvertently admit, without realizing it, is that you feel women who don't have means should abort their babies. That's not choice. You can't blather on about it's her body and her choice and yet hold up abortion as the antidote to poverty. A woman who sees abortion as the only way to save her child from poverty has more than likely bought the lies that proaborts have marketed to her and now feels she has no choice. A poor woman who has an abortion leaves the abortion mill still poor. You didn't solve her problems. You don't find prochoice people outside abortion mills waiting to help poor women.

It's prolife advocates....everyday people who have families and jobs, and illnesses, and worries like everyone else... who help these women find free daycare, free medical care, safe places to stay when the prochoice boyfriend goes ballistic, line up their paperwork to apply for benefits, take them to their appointments, and offer them any help we can find for them before and after the births of their children. I have a lot of prochoice friends and acquaintances. Not one of them has ever, ever, asked to be part of any of this help that's offered to women by prolife agencies everyday, nor have they accepted an invitation to help. Instead, they talk about privacy and minding our own business and then they go off and say we're not prolife if we don't find a way to pay for every moment of a child's life, while they themselves do nothing for these families. They bitch about politicians, but that doesn't pay for one single diaper.

I'm not surprised that Julie is so enamored of this nun. So is Huffpo and the National Catholic Register....which ought to tell you a thing or two about how opposed this woman is to Catholic teaching. She has quite a history. In fact, Joan is so opposed to it that she lies about and misrepresents it, and then rails against those lies.
Mother Theresa was a nun, too. She said "How can there be too many children? That's like saying there are too many flowers."
And....
"The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion."
And....
"If a woman can kill her own child, how can we tell the people of the world not to kill each other?"

She also said many other things about abortion and it's affect on the world.
But that's not a nun Julie will ever hold up as a voice of truth or reason or Christian ideology. Not surprising.

Hi Gigi, I have missed you.

connie
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
As an aside, I would be curious to hear her position on the morality of killing the unborn. I can only imagine that if one's morality is lacking for not feeding or clothing a child..it must be another level entirely to rip a child from the womb and kill it.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Supporting abortion because you feel people won't raise each other's children doesn't make you prochoice. It makes you a liar of the worst kind; one who will march this evil sacrament, abortion, across the backs of the poor just to protect it. What you inadvertently admit, without realizing it, is that you feel women who don't have means should abort their babies. That's not choice. You can't blather on about it's her body and her choice and yet hold up abortion as the antidote to poverty. A woman who sees abortion as the only way to save her child from poverty has more than likely bought the lies that proaborts have marketed to her and now feels she has no choice. A poor woman who has an abortion leaves the abortion mill still poor. You didn't solve her problems. You don't find prochoice people outside abortion mills waiting to help poor women.

It's prolife advocates....everyday people who have families and jobs, and illnesses, and worries like everyone else... who help these women find free daycare, free medical care, safe places to stay when the prochoice boyfriend goes ballistic, line up their paperwork to apply for benefits, take them to their appointments, and offer them any help we can find for them before and after the births of their children. I have a lot of prochoice friends and acquaintances. Not one of them has ever, ever, asked to be part of any of this help that's offered to women by prolife agencies everyday, nor have they accepted an invitation to help. Instead, they talk about privacy and minding our own business and then they go off and say we're not prolife if we don't find a way to pay for every moment of a child's life, while they themselves do nothing for these families. They bitch about politicians, but that doesn't pay for one single diaper.

I'm not surprised that Julie is so enamored of this nun. So is Huffpo and the National Catholic Register....which ought to tell you a thing or two about how opposed this woman is to Catholic teaching. She has quite a history. In fact, Joan is so opposed to it that she lies about and misrepresents it, and then rails against those lies.
Mother Theresa was a nun, too. She said "How can there be too many children? That's like saying there are too many flowers."
And....
"The greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion."
And....
"If a woman can kill her own child, how can we tell the people of the world not to kill each other?"

She also said many other things about abortion and it's affect on the world.
But that's not a nun Julie will ever hold up as a voice of truth or reason or Christian ideology. Not surprising.
you sound angry at the good sister for her eloquence on the "pro-life" position and morality, and angry at me for posting her words. perhaps it touches a spot you've yet to explore in your faith. expand your thinking, gigi, it'll be good for you.
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
Guys, I've had long exchanges with Julie about abortion.. and just know that she's coming from the perspective that:
  • A "fetus" is an object, and isn't alive until it exits the wound, which means by definition she advocates for third trimester abortions.
  • Human life is relative, and if a woman were to convince a doctor to do a third trimester abortion, that trumps all science and law in our nation.
Unless you've changed your mind Ms. Julie?
 

gigi

Mayor
you sound angry at the good sister for her eloquence on the "pro-life" position and morality, and angry at me for posting her words. perhaps it touches a spot you've yet to explore in your faith. expand your thinking, gigi, it'll be good for you.
I'm no more angry about abortion than I usually am. And I'm no less interested in pointing out the games that liars like you, who search for the anti-Catholic Catholic voice to uphold you and soothe the conflict that rages on within you, play. You can't make peace with what you want to happen to the children of poor women.You want them dead. It's cheaper and easier for you. Talking the way you do helps you manage your ever shrinking conscience and you've fooled yourself into thinking it's the perfect cover. And after all, you don't have to get off your ass to do it. So you look for someone else to validate you. That's on you. But at the end of the day Joan preaches a lot of untruths about what the Catholic faith believes. She also denies how the Catholic Church reaches all around the world to help those poor women and children that fakes like you and her only use to make a point.

You do nothing, Julie. And then you try to blame everyone else for the suffering you don't care about because we believe these people have a right to life.
 

gigi

Mayor
Guys, I've had long exchanges with Julie about abortion.. and just know that she's coming from the perspective that:
  • A "fetus" is an object, and isn't alive until it exits the wound, which means by definition she advocates for third trimester abortions.
  • Human life is relative, and if a woman were to convince a doctor to do a third trimester abortion, that trumps all science and law in our nation.
Unless you've changed your mind Ms. Julie?
Don't forget the imperfect and ugly babies she refers to as the "Spawn of Satan".
 
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