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Yeah. Take careful note of that last sentence. It directly contradicts Trapdoor's claim that the ACA cannot possibly help to curb costs.....Which is WHY I posted it to him.

Oh, and if you think I'm gonna defend Obama's statement that the ACA would save each family $2500 per year, you're sadly mistaken. I think it was a VERY unwise thing to say, and kind of analogous to when he and some of his advisers in early 2009 promised that the stimulus plan would prevent unemployment from going over 8%. That, too, was a very unwise thing to say.....
Well I would agree with trapdoor. ObamaScam is specifically designed to increase costs, not curb them. It mandates coverages people don't want, provides subsidies for mooches, and reduces consumer choices. Of course it's going to increase costs. That's a no-brainer. And of course, the end game is this: after costs continue to rise, leftists will say something like this: "well, we've tried reform and these insurance companies are just too greedy. It's time for a complete takeover".

This is a basic problem leftists have: they think everyone is as dumb as the filth in their OWS base.
 
This is simply false. By forcing new buyers into the insurance market, and penalizing them if they do not enter that market, Obamacare affects demand. And where there is additional demand for a finite resource, prices increase (which in fact has happened steadily since Obamacare debuted).

It does not "lower the price curve" because people who were not using health care services before are using them now -- this drives prices UP, not DOWN, and anyone would predict after a first-level economics course. Even without that prediction, simple observation would show you that, right now today, the mechanism is increasing prices. "Eventually" ? Yes, a bar I used to go to had a sign on the backbar offering "Free beer tomorrow." Tomorrow is always a day away.
It does increase demand for health insurance but the medical loss provision basically regulated the insurance companies profit margin. If they didn't spend enough of what they charged you on your medical bills, then the insurance company sends a refund check. If you didn't get a refund check it either means the insurance company spent the required amount on you or your employer intercepted it and pocketed it.
 
What I have to say to the millions of moochers now on Medicaid (that's the majority of the newly insured): pay for your own coverage like the rest of us.

Preexisting conditions: I'm cool with that.

Keeping kids on their parents' coverage until age 26: an obvious sign of economic FAILURE by the Obama cartel.

Lifetime limits: I preferred having a low one. I no longer have that choice.

Ownership of ObamaScam: 100% Democrat.
So you are ok with coverage for people with preexisting conditions? This as a stand alone policy is a death sentence to insurance companies or your premiums are going to skyrocket.
 
ObamaScam is specifically designed to increase costs, not curb them. It mandates coverages people don't want, provides subsidies for mooches, and reduces consumer choices. Of course it's going to increase costs.
You really didn't learn ANYTHING from that Economist article, did you?
 

worldlymrb

Revenge
The free market fundamentalists think that quacks should be allowed to freely operate. Hey, if you want to hang up a shingle saying:

Brane surjery dun dert cheep! Know ensurance kneeded!!

Go for it!

That's what the free market fundamentalists would say.....
If Govt authoritarians order you to take Heroin for your alcoholism, drooling leftist dumbnuts would dutifully obey without question saying, Yes Sir! Thank You Sir. Please don't hurt me Sir. But if you do hurt me, it's ok because I wouldn't want to offend you.

While a free market individual would have enough common sense to search a doctors reputation on line and ask for a second opinion.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Lets define what we mean here. If the GOP takes the Presidency and Congress passes a vote to repeal PPACA, it COULD happen. If you want to argue that it would not be politically savvy to do,(without a viable alternative) I would agree. In politics, attitudes are more important than facts. Whether it is repealed or not makes no difference. Talking about it first and foremost tends to placate the electorate. Getting re-elected and beating the other party is ALL that matters.

IMHO of course...
with the 50+ votes taken by the House to repeal ObamaCare, the Republican base was led to believe that it could be done while Obama was still president. you give the Republican base too much credit. they're angry as hell because they thought the House and Senate could overturn Obama's policies....even while he was still in office. Boehner admitted that his caucus lied to the base. now if the repub base understood how govt functioned, they wouldn't have been so easily duped.
 

MaryAnne

Governor
Principles in the current Republican Party?

Dwight Eisenhower had principles Even Richard Nixon wanted Health Care.

Even GW passed a drug bill. This Republican Tea Party is a joke. Just watch, Boehner now has nothing to fear since he is leaving. He promised to clean up the barn before he leaves. Just watch him pass the budget,a clean bill. Democrats will help him do it.

When the Chamber of Commerce vows to spend millions to get rid of tea party members, you know you have a problem.
 

MaryAnne

Governor
When a bankrupt government that is above the law is in charge of your health, once you stop paying taxes and want to collect your SSI/Medicare/Pension benefits, they will give you 6 months to live. Or, if want access to your 2nd amendment right, will declare you insane.
Ahum! Some one has to pay for those wars fought off budget. But,even then, President Obama has brought the National Debt down faster than any President ever has.
 

MaryAnne

Governor
If Govt authoritarians order you to take Heroin for your alcoholism, drooling leftist dumbnuts would dutifully obey without question saying, Yes Sir! Thank You Sir. Please don't hurt me Sir. But if you do hurt me, it's ok because I wouldn't want to offend you.

While a free market individual would have enough common sense to search a doctors reputation on line and ask for a second opinion.
Do you know how that post sounds?
 
D

Deleted member 21794

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Childish names do not help you posts. The anger at being on the wrong side shines through.
So you have no rebuttal to offer, only childish games of blaming two Republican pols for the failure of ObamaScam.

Laughable.
 
D

Deleted member 21794

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Ahum! Some one has to pay for those wars fought off budget. But,even then, President Obama has brought the National Debt down faster than any President ever has.
Nonsense. Barack Obama has INCREASED the national debt more than any other president in history. It's a simple matter of arithmetic. Why do you think you can post such outlandish lies and not be called on them?
 

MaryAnne

Governor
So you have no rebuttal to offer, only childish games of blaming two Republican pols for the failure of ObamaScam.

Laughable.
Did you watch CSpan during the Health care debate? I did. The fact you are not aware of what Grassley and Baucus did tells me you did not.
 
D

Deleted member 21794

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Did you watch CSpan during the Health care debate? I did. The fact you are not aware of what Grassley and Baucus did tells me you did not.
Democrats own ObamaScam 100%. Whatever you are babbling about with regards to Grassley and Baucus is immaterial.

However, as is usually the case with leftists, you tip your hand. Even YOU know ObamaScam is a failure. Why else would you be looking for scapegoats?

Duh!
 

MaryAnne

Governor
It does increase demand for health insurance but the medical loss provision basically regulated the insurance companies profit margin. If they didn't spend enough of what they charged you on your medical bills, then the insurance company sends a refund check. If you didn't get a refund check it either means the insurance company spent the required amount on you or your employer intercepted it and pocketed it.
We were told Medicare Advantage would be gone if the ACA passed. As I said before the company sent me a letter saying the problems of the past 3 years are gone and we could look forward to much better benefits that are fine now.

BTW,that plan costs me O.
 

MaryAnne

Governor
Democrats own ObamaScam 100%. Whatever you are babbling about with regards to Grassley and Baucus is immaterial.

However, as is usually the case with leftists, you tip your hand. Even YOU know ObamaScam is a failure. Why else would you be looking for scapegoats?

Duh!
Oh, I know we do! I am so proud of the Democrats and this president!
 
D

Deleted member 21794

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So you are ok with coverage for people with preexisting conditions? This as a stand alone policy is a death sentence to insurance companies or your premiums are going to skyrocket.
As a standalone policy, probably. However, with other mandated coverages ObamaScam orders, it's clear ObamaScam is specifically designed to make health insurance more expensive. Only an idiot would try to argue otherwise.
 
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