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Building a Wall is a Giant Waste of Money

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
You are talking about a murder, something that happens every single day of the year all over the nation. how about we talk about all the murders gun nuts commit? or meth heads or angry husbands or anyone else for that matter? The fact that this one murder was committed by one man who happened to be an illegal does not indict all illegals just as a murder by a white guy indict all white men. Get over your hate, it will free you.
The stats on the subject are fuzzy, at best, since many states don't track "murders by illegal aliens". Can we agree that even one murder by an illegal is one too many?

This Politifact link does prove Kate's murder wasn't an isolated case:
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/aug/17/tom-tancredo/tancredo-muffs-illegal-immigrant-murder-stats/
...Convicted aliens represent 12 percent of all homicide arrests, but it's important to note that due to the mismatched time periods, that figure is too high....
 

reason10

Governor
<<<You are talking about a murder, something that happens every single day of the year all over the nation. how about we talk about all the murders gun nuts commit?>>>>

The only gun nuts are the people trying to overturn the Second Amendment. Legal gun owners do not commit murder. You might want to pick up a newspaper once in a while and notice that 99 percent of gun murders are done by CRIMINALS who STEAL the guns. The NRA is not a gun nut group.

<<<or meth heads or angry husbands or anyone else for that matter?>>>>

You're comparing meth heads with angry husbands? Do you EVER get out of the house or is the majority of your world experience limited to afternoon soaps?

<<<The fact that this one murder was committed by one man who happened to be an illegal does not indict all illegals just as a murder by a white guy indict all white men. Get over your hate, it will free you.>>>

Tell that to her father.

Future President Trump lined up a LONG LIST of families who were victims of illegal aliens.

ONE SINGLE DEATH is too high a price to pay for political correctness and violating the law concerning sanctuary cities.

ONE DEATH.

You'd think differently if it were YOUR daughter.
 

reason10

Governor
<<<No. We certainly shouldn't impose a religious, gender or other litmus test.>>>

Why not? There is no constitutional right to come into America. If this country decided tomorrow that only Catholics can come, there is no constitutional issue.

Certainly imposing a limit on the number of undocumented Muslim males coming through makes a lot of sense when you consider who is committing the mass murders in Sanctuary cities.

<<<I do believe properly vetting immigrants is necessary in this day and age plus I'm against importing tens of thousands of refugees from across the oceans. Let's be honest; if we imported 60,000 Syrian "refugees" what we are really saying is we're putting 60,000 Syrian immigrants at the front of the line.>>>

Good luck selling that idea to the HATE AMERICA liberals.

<<<A better way to help those refugees is 1) eliminate the reason why they are fleeing their own country<<<<

I thought you people didn't want America to be the world's policeman.


<<<and 2) send aid to those border countries admitting temporary refuge for noncombatants.>>>

Not a bad idea. Send funding so they can build a wall and protect themselves.

When America had our own Civil War, (which was the largest bloodbath this country has ever experienced) civilians weren't streaming into Mexico.
 

reason10

Governor
<<<You are free to avoid putting your money where your mouth is just>>>

That's not possible here. You've already proven that. You're too effing scared to post your bank account number and Sosha Curity number. YOU AREN'T PUTTING YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

<<<as I'm free to say Trump's claims that Mexico will pay the entire 10-15 BILLION dollar annual cost of building and maintaining a wall is pure unmitigated bullshit.>>>

And I'm just as free to respond that you are full of shit.

It's going to work. And it will not cost America a penny. I've already shown that.

It's called READING.

Read more and post less.
 

TheResister

Council Member
The founding fathers did not intend for it to mean everyone outside our country are entitled to our national rights, that's why we have borders and immigration rules.

The founding fathers were more than clear. Unalienable Rights are beyond the jurisdiction of the legislature and the courts (in a de jure Republic.) In early American history, the Chinese helped build the railroads; the Jews were wheeling and dealing to help finance the Republic and they profited off it. NEITHER group was able to hold elective office and the founding fathers never intended for non-whites to be citizens. Unalienable Rights are a different story, however.
 

TheResister

Council Member
less expletive..more nice. My edits. and thank you.
TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT.

No wonder everyone says you liberals are idiots.
I am in no way, shape, fashion or form a liberal, thank you very much. The Trumpeteers are the ones pissing their votes away on a man that has always voted Democrat, funded them, and used undocumented foreigners to work in his businesses.

You're too focused on what the MSM and the powers that be so that you can't think outside the box.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
The founding fathers were more than clear. Unalienable Rights are beyond the jurisdiction of the legislature and the courts (in a de jure Republic.) In early American history, the Chinese helped build the railroads; the Jews were wheeling and dealing to help finance the Republic and they profited off it. NEITHER group was able to hold elective office and the founding fathers never intended for non-whites to be citizens. Unalienable Rights are a different story, however.
Awww, [Unwelcome language removed] sad. Another antisemitic nutjob. C'est la vie.
 

TheResister

Council Member
First of all, it'll be a FORTY FOOT tall structure. And it'll be guarded.
Secondly, it isn't going to cost America a penny. Mexico is paying for it.
Third, why don't you have a nice little chat with the father of Kate Steinle and tell him how wonderful those illegal aliens are.
Fourth, there's NOTHING wrong with our immigration laws. There's a LOT wrong with the [Unwelcome language removed] Democrat politicians who won't enforce those laws.

Trump is going to be elected in a landslide and he's going to kick the illegals OUT. That wall will keep the drug dealers, illegal weapons and future welfare bums/Democrat voters OUT.

After sounding like you for over twenty years, I went to work in immigration law. I stayed with it for four years so that the liberals could never say I was prejudiced, bigoted, or ignorant of the laws.

There is plenty wrong with the immigration laws AND those who spew the party line that we need to enforce those laws. The first thing wrong with the law is that misguided people think one must be working toward citizenship in order to come here. That's their first mistake. We don't need millions of new citizens. Not everybody who enters this country wants, nor should they ever be entitled to, the benefits of citizenship.

Someday, I'll do my top ten for you.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
....The first thing wrong with the law is that misguided people think one must be working toward citizenship in order to come here. That's their first mistake. We don't need millions of new citizens. Not everybody who enters this country wants, nor should they ever be entitled to, the benefits of citizenship...
An excellent point and something we can agree upon.
 

reason10

Governor
I am in no way, shape, fashion or form a liberal, thank you very much. The Trumpeteers are the ones pissing their votes away on a man that has always voted Democrat, funded them, and used undocumented foreigners to work in his businesses.

You're too focused on what the MSM and the powers that be so that you can't think outside the box.
I actually READ.

You liberals should try it. Start by reading recent history of both parties.
 

reason10

Governor
<<<<After sounding like you for over twenty years, I went to work in immigration law.>>>>

And I have friends in Orlando who worked in immigration law for decades. So what? I've met Nigerian nationals who believe American blacks are just Africans who were so stupid and inferior that they allowed themselves to be sold into slavery. There's NOTHING you can tell me that I haven't already seen.

<<<<There is plenty wrong with the immigration laws AND those who spew the party line that we need to enforce those laws.>>>

What's wrong with people who believe we need to enforce the law? If you are working in law and you have a problem with enforcing the law, you should be disbarred.

<<<The first thing wrong with the law is that misguided people think one must be working toward citizenship in order to come here.>>>

Right now, it's gotten to the point where we should be concerned about people coming here who might be terrorists.

<<<<That's their first mistake. We don't need millions of new citizens. Not everybody who enters this country wants, nor should they ever be entitled to, the benefits of citizenship.>>>

Actually, not everybody who wants to enter this country should be allowed to, especially when acts of terrorism have broken out in our streets.
 

TheResister

Council Member
I've read posts of white supremacist asshats replying in a similar manner when labeled a [Unwelcome language removed] racist.
I would say you have a severe problem if you find it necessary to call people names for telling the truth. Then again, the Internet allows people to make an ass of themselves because they think they can call other names and remain anonymous forever. It would be a whole new ball game if you had to respond to someone face to face.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
I would say you have a severe problem if you find it necessary to call people names for telling the truth. Then again, the Internet allows people to make an ass of themselves because they think they can call other names and remain anonymous forever. It would be a whole new ball game if you had to respond to someone face to face.
That's what those racist white supremacists said!



I travel for a living and have no problem telling you to your face you are a antisemite.
 

TheResister

Council Member
Same here. Why bash the Jews?
Bash the Jews? How in the Hell is telling the truth bashing the Jews? Take the case of Haym Salomon. He was George Washington's chief financier. Why? War is profitable. How is that racist?

Salomon worked in a country wherein one of the Founding Fathers had this to say about Jews:

"The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal. For over 1,700 years, the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race. If you do not exclude them from these United States, in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty. If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will nor how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even thou they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are Asiatics, are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention." That are the words of Benjamin Franklin according to the diary of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.

Salomon did not sign the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, but he was instrumental in financing the war. I'm talking facts. If it makes you feel good to call me a racist, then have at it. It does not take away from the facts.
 

TheResister

Council Member
That's what those racist white supremacists said!



I travel for a living and have no problem telling you to your face you are a antisemite.
It don't hurt my feelings what you want to call me, but PM works better if you'd like to make a specific threat. Board banter don't impress me much.
 
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