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If only our Constitution had an Article 50!

Imagine!

No Civil War.

In historic break, Britain gives formal Brexit notice to European Union (Link)

I never for my life could understand why we had our bloodiest war over staying together... that was weird on steroids, the North told the South, "I want you to stay and I will completely destroy you and kill all your sons to force you to stay together with me!" And they called it "a more perfect union".
Look to the 1848 working-class uprisings in Europe. That scared the Northern industrial aristocracy, so they decided to free the Southern slaves as cheap anti-union scab labor. It didn't work out for them because the Africans were too stupid, lazy, and undisciplined to ever produce a profit as free labor, as proven by the fact that today there is no Third World sweatshop outsourcing there by the present economic traitors. But motivation is not proven by the success of a scheme.
 

Days

Commentator
Look to the 1848 working-class uprisings in Europe. That scared the Northern industrial aristocracy, so they decided to free the Southern slaves as cheap anti-union scab labor. It didn't work out for them because the Africans were too stupid, lazy, and undisciplined to ever produce a profit as free labor, as proven by the fact that today there is no Third World sweatshop outsourcing there by the present economic traitors. But motivation is not proven by the success of a scheme.
The article labels the Brexit as a divorce, so I was looking at our union as a marriage and lamenting we have no article of divorce, hence, this horrible abusive marriage dragged on through war, destruction, and abuse afterward... all in the name of forging a more perfect union.
 

EatTheRich

President
The American Civil War wasn't really about secession, which was just the form under which the war began. It was about whether the free labor system would take over the South, or the slave labor system would take over the North.
 

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Commentator
The American Civil War wasn't really about secession, which was just the form under which the war began. It was about whether the free labor system would take over the South, or the slave labor system would take over the North.
The more common argument runs.... it was whether the new states (western states) were going to be free or slave. And they were having that argument, but I don't think the secession of the South was solely about slavery, slavery was the main issue of the day, but the bigger reason was that the Republic wasn't working; the Wall Street banks were dictating over the whole union and telling all the states what they could and couldn't do. That was not the original intention of "united states"... it was supposed to be all about the states being free to run themselves and working together to provide a central government for the mutual benefit of all. Instead, political parties took over the governing of the nation at every level and whoever had control of the central level was dictating terms to everyone.

Abe understood the republic wasn't functioning, but why he thought it was possible to form a "more perfect union" between the states by means of the same system that had utterly failed to perform according to the intent of the framers... I think he squandered a perfect opportunity to reform another central government; instead of fighting a war over forcing the 2nd failure, he could have built a 3rd Constitution, why not try again? The real reason for the Civil War was the desire of the Wall Street banks to run their shadow government inside the central government and control the whole enchilada. The "enemies within" were the whole problem. still are
 

EatTheRich

President
The more common argument runs.... it was whether the new states (western states) were going to be free or slave. And they were having that argument, but I don't think the secession of the South was solely about slavery, slavery was the main issue of the day, but the bigger reason was that the Republic wasn't working; the Wall Street banks were dictating over the whole union and telling all the states what they could and couldn't do. That was not the original intention of "united states"... it was supposed to be all about the states being free to run themselves and working together to provide a central government for the mutual benefit of all. Instead, political parties took over the governing of the nation at every level and whoever had control of the central level was dictating terms to everyone.

Abe understood the republic wasn't functioning, but why he thought it was possible to form a "more perfect union" between the states by means of the same system that had utterly failed to perform according to the intent of the framers... I think he squandered a perfect opportunity to reform another central government; instead of fighting a war over forcing the 2nd failure, he could have built a 3rd Constitution, why not try again? The real reason for the Civil War was the desire of the Wall Street banks to run their shadow government inside the central government and control the whole enchilada. The "enemies within" were the whole problem. still are
The more common argument runs.... it was whether the new states (western states) were going to be free or slave. And they were having that argument, but I don't think the secession of the South was solely about slavery, slavery was the main issue of the day, but the bigger reason was that the Republic wasn't working; the Wall Street banks were dictating over the whole union and telling all the states what they could and couldn't do. That was not the original intention of "united states"... it was supposed to be all about the states being free to run themselves and working together to provide a central government for the mutual benefit of all. Instead, political parties took over the governing of the nation at every level and whoever had control of the central level was dictating terms to everyone.

Abe understood the republic wasn't functioning, but why he thought it was possible to form a "more perfect union" between the states by means of the same system that had utterly failed to perform according to the intent of the framers... I think he squandered a perfect opportunity to reform another central government; instead of fighting a war over forcing the 2nd failure, he could have built a 3rd Constitution, why not try again? The real reason for the Civil War was the desire of the Wall Street banks to run their shadow government inside the central government and control the whole enchilada. The "enemies within" were the whole problem. still are
He did, on effect, create a new constitution ... as the people took advantage of the war between money capital (Lincoln) and slave capital (Davis) to advance democracy.
 

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Commentator
The outcome of the war, including Reconstruction and the Reconstruction Amendments, fundamentally changed the country for the better.
how so? Grant demonetized the silver dollar and sent the economy into a 40 year recession... that led to the installment of the 3rd central bank.

better?

Andrew Jackson would slap your face and gun duel you for saying such a thing.
 

EatTheRich

President
how so? Grant demonetized the silver dollar and sent the economy into a 40 year recession... that led to the installment of the 3rd central bank.

better?

Andrew Jackson would slap your face and gun duel you for saying such a thing.
1 example: chattel slavery was outlawed.
 

Days

Commentator
1 example: chattel slavery was outlawed.
characteristics of the republic improved, but the function of government only got worse. Everything the South was mad about, was rammed down their throat and made worse.

we needed a new Constitution, we needed to come together and build one as a more perfect union does things... not fight a Civil War. Ask me... Abraham Lincoln politics destroyed the nation, he was the most divisive politician in American history.
 

EatTheRich

President
characteristics of the republic improved, but the function of government only got worse. Everything the South was mad about, was rammed down their throat and made worse.

we needed a new Constitution, we needed to come together and build one as a more perfect union does things... not fight a Civil War. Ask me... Abraham Lincoln politics destroyed the nation, he was the most divisive politician in American history.
Another perspective: the proletariat freed itself from the historic responsibility of fighting its enemies' enemies (the slave power) and became able to take the fight directly to the money power itself. The antagonism between slave and proletariat was replaced by a harmony of interests, and the antagonism between Blacks and whites deprived of its main objective basis For the bourgeoisie, a Pyrrhic victory that sowed the seeds of a coming defeat; for oppressed humanity, merely the first stage of the titanic social struggle against all opponents of emancipation.
 

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Commentator
Another perspective: the proletariat freed itself from the historic responsibility of fighting its enemies' enemies (the slave power) and became able to take the fight directly to the money power itself. The antagonism between slave and proletariat was replaced by a harmony of interests, and the antagonism between Blacks and whites deprived of its main objective basis For the bourgeoisie, a Pyrrhic victory that sowed the seeds of a coming defeat; for oppressed humanity, merely the first stage of the titanic social struggle against all opponents of emancipation.
viewed socially, I gotta agree.

But the nation never came back together.

the South will rise again!
 
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