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It's official Trump's snake oil medicine increased the chance of death by 45%

Bugsy McGurk

President
What’s your advice? Should they wash it down with bleach, or Lysol? Maybe stick a UV light up their asses for good measure?

;-)
You'd need to ask the doctors at the UK's NHS and the 10,000 essential health workers who are taking the drug. But you're anti-science, so you won't.
 
It is a test and they are guinea pigs.

That is all.
So you believe the doctors at the UK's NHS are testing "snake oil medicine" on 10,000 of their essential health workers.

Let's see, should I listen to the top doctors at the NHS, or to "Dr. Spamature"?

You're anti-science.
 

EatTheRich

President
A cohort study involving severely ill patients. Probably the best data we have on this so far, but the jury is still out.
 

Spamature

President
So you believe the doctors at the UK's NHS are testing "snake oil medicine" on 10,000 of their essential health workers.

Let's see, should I listen to the top doctors at the NHS, or to "Dr. Spamature"?

You're anti-science.
Yes they are testing snake oil medicine on their essential workers.

Apparently they don't really care about them all that much.
 

Spamature

President
A cohort study involving severely ill patients. Probably the best data we have on this so far, but the jury is still out.
It was not severely ill patients. It was just patients who had tested positive in the previous 48 hours.


From Lancet:
We also excluded data from patients for whom treatment was initiated while they were on mechanical ventilation or if they were receiving therapy with the antiviral remdesivir. These specific exclusion criteria were established to avoid enrolment of patients in whom the treatment might have started at non-uniform times during the course of their COVID-19 illness and to exclude individuals for whom the drug regimen might have been used during a critical phase of illness, which could skew the interpretation of the results. Thus, we defined four distinct treatment groups, in which all patients started therapy within 48 h of an established COVID-19 diagnosis: chloroquine alone, chloroquine with a macrolide, hydroxychloroquine alone, or hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. All other included patients served as the control population.
 

EatTheRich

President
It was not severely ill patients. It was just patients who had tested positive in the previous 48 hours.


From Lancet:
We also excluded data from patients for whom treatment was initiated while they were on mechanical ventilation or if they were receiving therapy with the antiviral remdesivir. These specific exclusion criteria were established to avoid enrolment of patients in whom the treatment might have started at non-uniform times during the course of their COVID-19 illness and to exclude individuals for whom the drug regimen might have been used during a critical phase of illness, which could skew the interpretation of the results. Thus, we defined four distinct treatment groups, in which all patients started therapy within 48 h of an established COVID-19 diagnosis: chloroquine alone, chloroquine with a macrolide, hydroxychloroquine alone, or hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. All other included patients served as the control population.
I stand corrected, thanks. That makes the conclusion quite a bit stronger, no?
 

Spamature

President
I stand corrected, thanks. That makes the conclusion quite a bit stronger, no?
They let the chips fall where they may after the diagnosis. Unless after taking into account all of the variables, they got really unlucky and somehow only picked the very people who were more likely to die, the results are what they are.

Which is that is is not an effective drug for staving off illness and death from this disease and it looks like it makes the outcomes worse.
 
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